Did i make an Etiquette Mistake?

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both. it's not written in stone.

if you win a big pot it's bad etiquette to pack up within a few minutes. if you wait 30-90 mins it's probably fine.

this matters more and more the smaller the poker community you're playing in.

if it's vegas strip $1/2 just hit n run the whole strip. nobody really cares.

if theres 1 or 2 games within an hour of your house don't hit n run or rat hole.


Thanks, I think I get it now. Its like slowroll, it could be seem really disrespectful.
 
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It's called rat holing. Some people are concerned only for the rules and don't have personal standards in poker or life. It is generally frowned upon.
 
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It's called rat holing. Some people are concerned only for the rules and don't have personal standards in poker or life. It is generally frowned upon.


I also announce my intent to hit n run/rathole when I'm taking a shot at new stakes. I don't know if this makes it better or worse....but since I'm gonna do it either way I feel like being transparent about it aligns with my moral compass. I'm fun and social and have a vested interst in remaning friendly with our small community of regulars. I do it in a self depriciating way like "I know you guys are better than me. I'm just here to flirt and try to get lucky for an hour. if I get lucky don't be mad when i take your chips back to $1/2"
 
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It's called rat holing. Some people are concerned only for the rules and don't have personal standards in poker or life. It is generally frowned upon.
I play cash tables with the intent of doubling or tripling my money then I'm out and onto the next table.why sit there paying rake waiting for the bad beat that takes away your winnings.the rules arefairandeveryonehasequalopportunitytoquitwhileahead.anyone moaning should go play tourneys if they truly believe that's all that's stopping them winning.haha quite funny really as it goes against the number one rule of gambling...QUIT WHILE YOUR AHEAD!
 
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Until somebody creates a poker game that is timed, like football, basket ball or baseball (innings); it is OKAY to hit-n-run.
At anytime it can happen to the ratholer that someone takes his money and runs.
 
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You actually did 2 etiquette mistakes -
1. hit and run
2. sat back in shortly after with smaller stack

I personally don't care if someone does it.
 
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Is it bad etiquette to do this?

So i had been going pretty good, up a bit from my starting buy-in, and then win a few huge pots that put me up around 500 BB. I get up and leave, happy to come out that far ahead after a short session. I didn't feel like there was any reason to stay and keep playing, i was already past my normal goal.

I then decided after a quick break to sit down again, and bought in for the norm. One of the guys berated me for doing that, I guess it seemed like i was just pocketing a grand and then buying back in to ensure a profit?

Ya this is called "going South" and will be greatly looked down upon by your fellow players. Some casinos don't allow it, but others do. It is definately considered bad etiquette !
 
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If you left , it had causes, and so not to offend anyone had used to buy the same amount of your bankroll.
 
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both. it's not written in stone.

if you win a big pot it's bad etiquette to pack up within a few minutes. if you wait 30-90 mins it's probably fine.

this matters more and more the bigger the game and/or the smaller the poker community you're playing in.

if it's vegas strip $1/2 just hit n run the whole strip. nobody really cares.

if theres 1 or 2 games within an hour of your house don't hit n run or rat hole. if you're playing $5/10 invitation home games don't hit n run or rat hole

I feel like this is probably the best, and most complete response here. I especially like the part about home games.

I also announce my intent to hit n run/rathole when I'm taking a shot at new stakes. I don't know if this makes it better or worse....but since I'm gonna do it either way I feel like being transparent about it aligns with my moral compass. I'm fun and social and have a vested interst in remaning friendly with our small community of regulars. I do it in a self depriciating way like "I know you guys are better than me. I'm just here to flirt and try to get lucky for an hour. if I get lucky don't be mad when i take your chips back to $1/2"

I think the warning makes it better, and shows that you understand how your actions could be perceived. Also, if its a big deal to someone, they can sit out at that point. If you're playing within the rules and giving a warning, it would be harder to be upset as an opponent.

I play cash tables with the intent of doubling or tripling my money then I'm out and onto the next table.why sit there paying rake waiting for the bad beat that takes away your winnings.the rules arefairandeveryonehasequalopportunitytoquitwhileahead.anyone moaning should go play tourneys if they truly believe that's all that's stopping them winning.haha quite funny really as it goes against the number one rule of gambling...QUIT WHILE YOUR AHEAD!

Until somebody creates a poker game that is timed, like football, basket ball or baseball (innings); it is OKAY to hit-n-run.
At anytime it can happen to the ratholer that someone takes his money and runs.

I think some people could be confusing hit and run with rat holing. While both are considered poor etiquette to the refined player, rat holing is a hit and run followed by returning to the same table with a much smaller chip stack, after a too-short period of time, robbing players of the chance to win their money back, while minimizing your own risk. It's viewed as cheap and insulting. If you leave when you're up, great, just don't have a sandwich and come back smiling with a minimum buy. Or go ahead and do it, but don't blame classy players for frowning on the practice.

I hear people pretty consistently reference rules and whether they are broken in etiquette conversations. It's not against the rules to slow roll someone, and then laugh hysterically while pointing at them. You can also roll your eyes and sigh every time someone acts. If you want, you can act as slowly as possible every time it's your turn and make someone call the floor on you or let your timer run down online. If you want, you can crop dust elderly people in public restaraunts with flatulence. The rules allow jerks to do many things, but it doesn't make them proper etiquette.
 
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Etiquette

It depends on how much time passed. Most poker rooms have a rule in place that you have to leave for atleast an hour before rebuying. If you sit back down within a short amount of time you should buy in for what you left with.
Is it bad etiquette to do this?

So i had been going pretty good, up a bit from my starting buy-in, and then win a few huge pots that put me up around 500 BB. I get up and leave, happy to come out that far ahead after a short session. I didn't feel like there was any reason to stay and keep playing, i was already past my normal goal.

I then decided after a quick break to sit down again, and bought in for the norm. One of the guys berated me for doing that, I guess it seemed like i was just pocketing a grand and then buying back in to ensure a profit?
 
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Online its a diff story. They can set up parameters so that you can only come back to the table for the same ammount you left with in a given time frame.

However its not uncommon for people who are severely stuck to employ a hit run style of game play and do you blame them honestly? No.

Alot of times, even in my personal experience. I've taken massive suckouts after suckouts like AA getting cracked by K5 when the board turns villain trips. Then I finally win a hand and its like, well I need to protect my loss.

So it depends. It shouldn't be a habit and its bad etiquette but perspective is important as well. Everything usually has a rather reasonable explanation but in the heat of a moment emotions flare up
 
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Is it bad etiquette to do this?

So i had been going pretty good, up a bit from my starting buy-in, and then win a few huge pots that put me up around 500 BB. I get up and leave, happy to come out that far ahead after a short session. I didn't feel like there was any reason to stay and keep playing, i was already past my normal goal.

I then decided after a quick break to sit down again, and bought in for the norm. One of the guys berated me for doing that, I guess it seemed like i was just pocketing a grand and then buying back in to ensure a profit?
Getting up from a cash game with a profit is the goal of playing the game of poker, so no there absolutely nothing wrong with doing this.
AND Yes…. There is a BIG BUT……..
You were totally in bad TASTE buying back into the same game as far as fair play is concerned from among the existing players on the table that you removed your profits.
Depending on where you play the game of poker in the world, this is a great way of losing your life.
Note: these comments are only directed at live poker games not online.
:evil::evil::evil:
 
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I think he got mad because you sat down with the norm instead of coming back in with what you won or with at least a part of your earnings
 
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This is often referred to as a form of "going south" which is frowned upon. However, the term going south usually applies to live games where one might sneak a couple of chips off the table which reduces the portion of their stake in the game.

I think its the closest that online gets to going south


There's an iconic moment in TV poker when Sean Sheiky accuses Freddy Deeb of going south at a High Stakes Cash game - its the best entertainment check it out below

Hsp freddyy deeb - YouTube
 
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Damn rats!! no respect!! shame !! Shame!! Shsme on the casino and dealer for letting it happen .
 
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It all depends how you will feel it about.Looking from professional side you earned money and its good,who cares what some stranger are bubbling about it.Looking from ethical side you are behaving like a scoundrel and nobody will respect you.
 
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Make your paper. Etiquette doesn't matter when your winning.
 
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