here is a mistake all around :) what would you have done?

twizzybop

twizzybop

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I know what I did wrong.. besides early in the game.. think of the hand.. what would you do? What would you put your opponent on? Where would you bet? Told you before I change up my style to mix it up and it does bite me in the butt.. However what would you do early in the game or even late in the game holding these cards? Just curious...

Table: 4579888 (real money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 1 - MICKYMOWSE ($2655 in chips)
Seat 2 - CHEDDY ($1290 in chips)
Seat 3 - TWIZZYBOP ($1380 in chips)
Seat 4 - BALIUS ($1110 in chips)
Seat 5 - CHEZZY ($1860 in chips)
Seat 6 - ZAMOUT ($2415 in chips)
Seat 7 - COLRUYT ($1380 in chips)
Seat 9 - CLUELESS51 ($1410 in chips)
MICKYMOWSE - Posts small blind $15
CHEDDY - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TWIZZYBOP [Ac 10h]
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $30
BALIUS - Raises $210 to $210
CHEZZY - Folds
ZAMOUT - Folds
COLRUYT - Folds
CLUELESS51 - Folds
MICKYMOWSE - Folds
CHEDDY - Calls $180
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $180
*** FLOP *** [As 2s Kc]
CHEDDY - Checks
TWIZZYBOP - Checks
BALIUS - Checks
*** TURN *** [As 2s Kc] [Jc]
CHEDDY - Checks
TWIZZYBOP - Bets $60
BALIUS - Calls $60
CHEDDY - Calls $60
*** RIVER *** [As 2s Kc Jc] [9d]
CHEDDY - Checks
TWIZZYBOP - Bets $510
BALIUS - All-In(Raise) $840 to $840
CHEDDY - Folds
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $330
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BALIUS - Shows [9c 9h] (Three of a kind, nines)
TWIZZYBOP - Mucks
BALIUS Collects $2505 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2505)
Board [As 2s Kc Jc 9d]
Seat 1: MICKYMOWSE (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: CHEDDY (big blind) Folded on the RIVER
Seat 3: TWIZZYBOP HI: [Mucked] [Ac 10h]
Seat 4: BALIUS won Total ($2505) All-In HI:($2505) with Three of a kind, nines [9c 9h - P:9h,B:9d,P:9c,B:As,B:Kc]
Seat 5: CHEZZY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: ZAMOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: COLRUYT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: CLUELESS51 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
 
twizzybop

twizzybop

Legend
LOL I know that grumble.. but commited myself.. just wondering what someone may put the opponent on...The call by me was a mistake.. I fully admit that..just wondering what would the opponent be on?
 
Grumbledook

Grumbledook

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Well not betting when you hit the flop was silly as well, that left you not knowing where you are.

The bet on the turn was waaaay too small, though with the check on the flop he may well have called anyway.

The bet on the river was too large with a scary board like that when you havn't shown strength in the hand at all up to this point.

The call was bad as well, but probably the least poorest play throughout the hand.
 
t1riel

t1riel

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I probably would have folded when the other player went all in. He could have easily beat you even with A, K or A, J. Hell, even with A, Q.
 
duesXmachina

duesXmachina

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After what you had committed preflop, LOL, (i actually was thinking about what you posted at the begginning of this post) this is the lol-i would have gone all-in after the flop most likely(i WILL NOT let the flush draw get in there for cheap) besides their are so many people that call with 5-8 flush draws its absolutely absurd, hopefully an opp. with K and some worthless kicker might think he had best hand and call to give me all their chips.
 
twizzybop

twizzybop

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Reason why I didn't be the flop.. I put the opponent on ace,king.. ace, queen... slow playing it.. the turn is where I should have made a bet.. to see where people stood, but I didn't which was another mistake.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

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- Fold preflop

- What's the point of betting like 1/10th of the pot on the turn?

Bet out on the flop. If you get called, you have to reconsider the situation depending on reads and stuff, if you get raised it's invariably an easy fold.

On the river you're not beating any possible holding from the pf raiser that I can see really, barring perhaps a weirdly played KQ.
 
duesXmachina

duesXmachina

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t1riel said:
I probably would have folded when the other player went all in. He could have easily beat you even with A, K or A, J. Hell, even with A, Q.

Dont forget the 10-Q str8....
I poss. put this player on it, but (in my mind) only a 5% chance he might actually be holding that pair, I honestly would have believed I had best hand and put everyone in a tight spot to try and take my chips if they had the cojones.

Might have been able to make a steal on the hand and got out ahead without showing your cards.
 
duesXmachina

duesXmachina

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hmmm

Grumbledook said:
fold preflop

I dont really like to fold these cards preflop, they can have potential, and you know, you have to play the table and the opponents you are facing
 
twizzybop

twizzybop

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- What's the point of betting like 1/10th of the pot on the turn?
Honesty.. because I had A,10 previously before in 2 other hands.. so 3 out of 5 hands I have been dealt the same hand. Previous 2 hands, nothing has flopped to help either hand. So why not.. hand may pay off.. but again I put oppenent on the ace,king or ace,queen slow playing(my mistake).. there should have been a bet somewhere on the flop or the turn to see where I stand... I then called cause I thought then he was scared of the ace.. it should have been reversed.. bet to see if he was scared of the ace on the flop
 
duesXmachina

duesXmachina

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twizzybop said:
- What's the point of betting like 1/10th of the pot on the turn?
bet to see if he was scared of the ace on the flop

absolutely, bet this or pay severely it seems, Also i agree that the bet on the turn was to small....
 
Four Dogs

Four Dogs

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twizzybop said:
.. just wondering what someone may put the opponent on...The call by me was a mistake.. I fully admit that..just wondering what would the opponent be on?
Cheddy could have had a flush draw, a straight draw, the jack, the duece, the king. Without a meaningful bet there's no telling what he had. That $60 bet on the turn was too late and too small.
 
Jesus Lederer

Jesus Lederer

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duesXmachina said:
I dont really like to fold these cards preflop, they can have potential, and you know, you have to play the table and the opponents you are facing

AT UTG at a 9 players table in my opinion is a clear fold.
They can have potencial to what? If you´re hoping to hit a straight or a boat you need to get huge pot odds to call, because your hand odds are low. If you are hoping to hit an A, then you can have kicker problems and lose a huge pot if you don´t realize that your hand is weak.
Of course you have to play according to the opponent, but if you´re UTG you don´t have any information about the next 8 players´s hands at the table.

twizzybop said:
Reason why I didn't be the flop.. I put the opponent on ace,king.. ace, queen... slow playing it..

If you put your opponent on AK or AQ based on the information you got preflop, then why did you call there with AT? The limp UTG with AT was bad, but calling the raise "knowing" that you were huge underdog is just incomprehensible (does that word exists?).
Remember you have to think what do you expect when you make a move.
If you were completely sure that your opponent had AK or AQ, then fold preflop. If after the flop you still put your opponent on those hands, then check-fold if you don´t improve your hand.

twizzybop said:
I then called cause I thought then he was scared of the ace

Well, so you weren´t completely sure that he had AK or AQ. Then, you should had bet in the flop to realize if he really had those hands or not, and to keep away possible chasers.

twizzybop said:
- What's the point of betting like 1/10th of the pot on the turn?
Honesty.. because I had A,10 previously before in 2 other hands.. so 3 out of 5 hands I have been dealt the same hand. Previous 2 hands, nothing has flopped to help either hand. So why not.. hand may pay off..

The question would be so why? There isn´t any good reason to think that if you missed the flop with the same hand, you would hit it at the third. BTW i don´t understand what has your answer to do with the question. You didn´t explain what did you expect by betting 1/10th of the pot. A check would have been the same or you could bet more to realize where you were standing (a move that you should have done in the flop).

twizzybop said:
*** RIVER *** [As 2s Kc Jc] 9♦
CHEDDY - Checks
TWIZZYBOP - Bets $510
BALIUS - All-In(Raise) $840 to $840
CHEDDY - Folds
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $330

At this point your hand is a medium strength one. Remember that you don´t have to bet with medium strength hands in the river. See the reasons here in point 1.

twizzybop said:
.. just wondering what someone may put the opponent on...

Preflop i put Balius on JJ, QQ, KK or AA and Cheddy on something like AK or maybe low pair. After the flop i have no more additional information, so i only can think on Balius slowplaying and Cheddy afraid of overcards or slowplaying. In the turn the calls were exactly the same as if they would have checked, so now i could think of Balius in a draw or also a weak pocket pair like Cheddy, or just he kept slowplaying. In the river when Balius reraised you i can think on him holding a set, trusting in my first preflop raise probably a set of Js (a big raise preflop generally means a pocket pair like Js).
 
E

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since you called $210 to see the flop, you shoulda checked to see if he hit anything, since he put the initial raise out there, secondly a bet after the flop hit three different suits coulda helped you out, but there again a small bet invites him to call, he probably put you on a pair of 2s with that small bet
 
duesXmachina

duesXmachina

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Jesus Lederer said:
(a big raise preflop generally means a pocket pair like Js).

You mean like when someone raises/ or calls for that matter with 10-7 suited? NOT ME JESUS CALM DOWN... but some people will do this crap and you obviously seem to be giving your opponents a lot of credit that they dont deserve yet...This is why i said this hand can have potential. You have to read the board and your opponent. A seven - two played with the sole goal of making your opponent means that YOU HAVE POTENTIAL, but a hand with only a handful of possible COMBINATIONS that have you beat preflop....that is what potential means. If you hit nothing you have nothing. IAGREE a ten kicker is not optimum. But what if you are playing sum dunder head who will go all in with A-7 off. You really have to pay attention to your opponent to make the call that they have AA KK QQ etc. with a large preflop raise, i see dunder heads call with rags to huge raises all day. Its just what the cool kids are doing i guess....
 
-2222-

-2222-

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Easy answer. Buy a new flat screen monitor (dell 24") - give the rest to the homeless. It's Christmas after all.

I do give you credit for hitting a home run though. You made a mistake pre-flop and then another on every street for a homer.

Being confused about post flop strategy is exactly why you fold A-T UTG against a raise. If you are a true LAG re-raise it up pre-flop and try and get him off the hand. It's a hugely -EV play uless you have very specific knowledge about EP (such as raising to 7 x BB with 9-9 in EP!).

...but thinking about it, might be better to not buy the monitor....just give all ur money to the homeless and the PC too...they will put it to better use.
 
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