Aceplayer55
Rock Star
Silver Level
Maintain that attitude here too...
Maintain that attitude here too...
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
It does not matter what you play, it does not matter what you've been invited to. All I am saying is that it is generally regarded as a scummy thing to do, to sit in a game where everyone is straddling, and you are not. If you sat in my game and did that, I would consider you a POS.
Secondly, listing the games you play makes you look like such a cool guy
Secondly, listing the games you play makes you look like such a cool guy
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
when people attack me or make false claims about me, I respond as needed.
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
It does not matter what you play, it does not matter what you've been invited to. All I am saying is that it is generally regarded as a scummy thing to do, to sit in a game where everyone is straddling, and you are not.
Secondly, listing the games you play makes you look like such a cool guy
not interested in being a cool guy. I thought TV poker was a terrible thing to happen to the poker scene..with the sunglasses, and nicknames, etc.
besides, I already said that if people want to straddle..DO IT ...
its their money and if they think it is a good play, or a cool thing to do..then god bless em.
evidently players in my area dont think I am a scumbag, just because I wont straddle. Maybe the players you know, are that shallow.
the rules of the local games that say the blinds are $5- $10 are what I abide by...I do not give into peer pressure just because some loose gamblers at the table, wish to throw their money away and straddle bets. They can do it, but they wont force me to do it.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
WTF are you on about with TV Poker.
No its not just the people I play with, You should look around the poker community, you say you've played for 30 years and play for money etc. Ask anybody who you have connections with outside of your local scene, who is also playing for money, and they will say the same thing.
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
I dont care what other players in other locations think about me not wanting to straddle. I have more then enough games in my local area then I can play in per week and thats what concerns me. Im invited to all of them even though I have never straddled in 5 years of going to those games.
Furthermore I fully support any player that wants to straddle, and I think it is common courtesy for those players to support others who do not wish to straddle.
what you are basically trying to tell me, is I should be ashamed for not throwing my money away on straddles, due to peer pressure at the poker table.
Sorry, it wont work on me.
I will take it further and say it is my opinion, that one reason 85% of all poker players over the long term, end up losing in poker, is because of making plays like " " "straddling" . To me, straddling is more gamble then anyhting else ..Im more of a logical poker player , so its not my style and never will be. Im proud to be a poker player first, not a gambler.
Now...lets say you have a home game of $5- $10 blinds, and the houseman has a rule that everyone must straddle , then thats a different scenario.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
So you see nothing wrong in a game, where 8 out of the 9 players are straddling and 1 person is not. You see nothing wrong with the etiquette of that one person.
If you are losing player because of a straddle bet, you are probably not very good at poker.
If you are losing player because of a straddle bet, you are probably not very good at poker.
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
no, I see nothing wrong with it. if the other players feel the need to play a game with higher blinds, then they should find that game. if the rules of the game are $5-$10 blinds and those rules are made by the houseman, its not up to the players to change the rules and make it a game where everyone MUST straddle. They are straddling on their own freewill...therefore it is not a rule of the house nor should other players be forced to do the will of the " straddlers'
They have a right to straddle if they want..just like we have a right not to straddle if we want. I see that as totally fair.
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MinhANguyen
Visionary
Silver Level
Yeah, you don't have to straddle. No one is forcing you to. You do have a right to not straddle. Nobody said you didn't. But that is pretty bad etiquette, and people do probably view you as scummy. Just because you're invited to games and people don't say it doesn't mean they don't think it. Especially if everyone else on the table is straddling and you are the only one not. If you are losing, regardless of whether or not you straddle, you're just a bad player. That's all. Where do you get this statistic that 85% of poker players lose because of straddling? LOL. That's pretty ridiculous.
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
I urge you and everyone else to straddle your brains out. this way the other poker players at the table will respect you more.
yes, im a bad player, im a scumbag and im not invited to any of the local games....if you say so .
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
reread what I said...
I said..ONE REASON why poker players lose is because of making boneheads plays like straddling.
You evidently cant comprehend things to well.
whats really amazing is that I fully support you and others to straddle every hand you wish...yet you cant stand it that I dont want to do it. In other words, you wish to impose your will at the poker table upon others. Seems to me that you are the unreasonable one. Think about it .
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
No..bad etiquette is disobeying the house rules made by the houseman...
or being a bad loser and starting fights at the table ..etc...
it is not bad etiquette to not make stupid plays like raising in the blind , just because of peer pressure from other players at the table.
Evidently I have a set of balls, and many of you are cowards that give into peer pressure,.
Straddle away kiddies !
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
So in other words you are giving me permission to not waste my money by raising in the blind at my local poker games ? I appreciate that. I will return the favor and give you, and everyone else the permission to straddle every hand you play. I promise it will never irritate me. I encourage it.
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6bet me
Visionary
Silver Level
Dude, a straddle to 2bb from UTG when everyone else on your table is also making that straddle, is definitely not a "stupid play". You're not being asked to put your entire stack in on a flip or enter into a $10k prop bet. It's less than 1% of your stack if you're 200bb+ deep and you only have to pay it once every orbit. Don't be "that guy" who ruins the fun for everyone.
At my casino, the $5/$5 game plays with a $10 straddle and a $1000 max buy-in. Also, the $5/$10 game plays with a $20 straddle and a $2000 max buy-in. Whilst these straddles are non-compulsory, everyone does it and you'll be frowned upon if you don't straddle. Honestly, not straddling in a game like this is just as bad as having a huge tilt problem like Phil Hellmuth, or refusing to shake hands like Justin Schwarz at the wsop, or purposely annoying other players like Tony G. It's very bad etiquette. But it's your choice if you want to play like that because you can't win properly.
At my casino, the $5/$5 game plays with a $10 straddle and a $1000 max buy-in. Also, the $5/$10 game plays with a $20 straddle and a $2000 max buy-in. Whilst these straddles are non-compulsory, everyone does it and you'll be frowned upon if you don't straddle. Honestly, not straddling in a game like this is just as bad as having a huge tilt problem like Phil Hellmuth, or refusing to shake hands like Justin Schwarz at the wsop, or purposely annoying other players like Tony G. It's very bad etiquette. But it's your choice if you want to play like that because you can't win properly.
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MinhANguyen
Visionary
Silver Level
Says the one who thinks that I said that you don't get invited to home games. I didn't mean it in a literal sense, and I did know what you were saying. You said that 85% of players lose money because of plays "like straddling." Well, there AREN'T any similar plays to straddling, so I don't really see your point. Your posts just make you look like a condescending d-bag with no etiquette.
For such a "smart" guy, you don't make the smartest assumptions. I've never straddled before. I'm an online player. And I don't give a shit if you don't straddle. I'm just stating the facts that people probably view you as scummy even though they don't explicity state it, and even though you are invited to games. You obviously make too many assumptions.
But yeah, you do you.
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
Raising the pot, without looking at your whole cards, will always be a stupid play in my book. and it is a play that I encourage others to do, if they so wish , or refrain from if they dont wish to do it.
gee imagine that, Im actually allowing players to engage in FREEWILL. ..and not be forced to do things because of peer pressure from other players at the table.
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
I think its bad etiquette, for any players to try and force their betting styles or will onto other players at the table , and this includes trying to force oither players to raise in the blind. I follow house rules, not the loose rules trying to be engaged by gamblers at a poker table. I dont tell other players at the table how they should play, or bet or raise, therefore they have no right to tell me or others that we must raise certain hands preflop, in the blind.
why cant you people understand this simple logical concept ?
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
whether you can do something is entirely irrelevant
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
If players must have a home game where everyone must straddle, then they need to find a homegame, where the houseman has that rule enacted.
seems like common sense to me. the houseman makes the rules, not the players
I personally would never play in a poker game, where a rule was made that everyone at the table is forced to raise the bet, without looking at their downcards.
maybe this is one reason I beat the game over 30 years ?
jscales
Enthusiast
Silver Level
A lot of tables will make an agreement hat they will straddle for one orbit or all night or whatever they decide. I think if that is not something you are comfortable with that is perfectly fine. You should never play poker a certain way because everyone else wants you to. If you are in the casino you can always ask for a seat change. That way you are able to play the way you want and you are not interrupting the play that the rest of the table is looking for.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
Fwiw just want to address something,
No one has said you absolutely should. No one is forcing you to straddle. We are just saying by not straddling you are being viewed negatively. And if you don't care at all what your peers think of you then fine, go ahead.
No one has said you absolutely should. No one is forcing you to straddle. We are just saying by not straddling you are being viewed negatively. And if you don't care at all what your peers think of you then fine, go ahead.
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6bet me
Visionary
Silver Level
The best way to think of the straddle is an additional blind. Not straddling is equivalent to not paying your big blind. It gives you an unfair advantage over the rest of the table.
I guess there's no convincing you of this though. It's entirely your choice to straddle or take the blind advantage by not participating.
I guess there's no convincing you of this though. It's entirely your choice to straddle or take the blind advantage by not participating.
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
I play by house rules...thats what I call " fair"
I do not play by lose rules enacted by gamblers at the table, who wish to impose their desires onto other players. I dont tell them how to bet or play, therefore they have no right to tell others that they must raise the pot in the blind.
common sense, and fairness...
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Rumme1
Rock Star
Silver Level
you think of it how you wish,,,and please continue to do it at every game you play.
I see it as a peer pressure bonehead play, in which other players are strictly gambling by raising the pot without knowing what their whole cards are. You may think this is a sign of great skill, and pro play , I view it as a bonehead play which I have no desire to engage in. Ill save my straddle money to pay for the next rd of blinds that will allow me to see 9 more hands.