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zendale

zendale

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Played last night it was 30 min in the tourny very tight players and then this happens...besides not playing the hand what else should I have done here I tried to play conservative I did not want to scream I have the 6...

full tilt poker Game #2971961825: $4,000 Guarantee (22157207), Table 3 - 20/40 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 3:26:05 ET - 2007/07/17
Seat 1: IRISH GM (3,170)
Seat 2: zendale (5,250)
Seat 3: Jun1nho (3,080)
Seat 4: Ebert07 (2,705)
Seat 5: Rags007 (3,678)
Seat 6: mindfreak001 (3,242)
Seat 7: vpsmoker56 (2,745)
Seat 8: Dreams_Die_Fast (4,240)
Seat 9: johnpaul1 (3,250)
Jun1nho posts the small blind of 20
Ebert07 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zendale [6c 2c]
Rags007 folds
mindfreak001 folds
vpsmoker56 folds
Dreams_Die_Fast folds
johnpaul1 calls 40
IRISH GM folds
zendale calls 40
Jun1nho calls 20
Ebert07 checks
*** FLOP *** [6h 6s 3d]
Jun1nho checks
Ebert07 checks
johnpaul1 has 15 seconds left to act
johnpaul1 bets 40
zendale has 15 seconds left to act
zendale calls 40
Jun1nho calls 40
Ebert07 folds
*** TURN *** [6h 6s 3d] 3♥
Jun1nho has 15 seconds left to act
Jun1nho checks
johnpaul1 checks
zendale bets 140
Jun1nho calls 140
johnpaul1 folds
*** RIVER *** [6h 6s 3d 3h] A♣
Jun1nho has 15 seconds left to act
Jun1nho bets 400
zendale raises to 1,760
Jun1nho raises to 2,860, and is all in
zendale calls 1,100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jun1nho shows [3s 3c] four of a kind, Threes
zendale shows [6c 2c] a full house, Sixes full of Threes
Jun1nho wins the pot (6,280) with four of a kind, Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,280 | Rake 0
Board: [6h 6s 3d 3h Ac]
Seat 1: IRISH GM didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: zendale (button) showed [6c 2c] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Threes
Seat 3: Jun1nho (small blind) showed [3s 3c] and won (6,280) with four of a kind, Threes
Seat 4: Ebert07 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Rags007 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: mindfreak001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: vpsmoker56 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Dreams_Die_Fast didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: johnpaul1 folded on the Turn
 
zendale

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Now I get back going things are looking better down to 68 players and this devstation...

Full Tilt poker game #2972256216: $4,000 Guarantee (22157207), Table 3 - 80/160 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 4:30:46 ET - 2007/07/17
Seat 1: Big Huni (4,497)
Seat 2: zendale (4,744)
Seat 3: Jun1nho (7,420)
Seat 4: Jeffboski (13,538)
Seat 5: Rags007 (9,056)
Seat 6: peterpusy (3,525)
Seat 7: vpsmoker56 (5,050)
Seat 8: Dreams_Die_Fast (5,025)
Seat 9: dome1117 (1,305)
Big Huni posts the small blind of 80
zendale posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zendale [Kd Ac]
Jun1nho folds
Jeffboski folds
Rags007 has 15 seconds left to act
Rags007 calls 160
peterpusy calls 160
vpsmoker56 folds
Dreams_Die_Fast calls 160
dome1117 folds
Big Huni calls 80
zendale raises to 960
Rags007 has 15 seconds left to act
Rags007 folds
peterpusy calls 800
Dreams_Die_Fast folds
Big Huni folds
*** FLOP *** [2h 5s 6s]
zendale bets 2,400
peterpusy raises to 2,565, and is all in
zendale calls 165
peterpusy shows [4s Js]
zendale shows [Kd Ac]
*** TURN *** [2h 5s 6s] 9♠
*** RIVER *** [2h 5s 6s 9s] [Td]
peterpusy shows a flush, Jack high
zendale shows Ace King high
peterpusy wins the pot (7,530) with a flush, Jack high
Jun1nho stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,530 | Rake 0
Board: [2h 5s 6s 9s Td]
Seat 1: Big Huni (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: zendale (big blind) showed [Kd Ac] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 3: Jun1nho didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Jeffboski didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Rags007 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: peterpusy showed [4s Js] and won (7,530) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 7: vpsmoker56 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Dreams_Die_Fast folded before the Flop
Seat 9: dome1117 (button) didn't bet (folded)
 
titans4ever

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You are right about the first one, why bother. You wasted alot of money on a flop that you thought was gold and turned out crap. I have been reviewing sessions and seeing that the hands I should not have even been in are the most costly and rarely pan out.

The second one.... I think you should have just done a standard raise of 3BB+1BB per limper (160x4= 640). This is a smaller amount of your chips and will accomplish the same thing. That raise would allow you to bet around 700 after the flop to see if you could get him to fold. You opponent was shortstacked and would have to fold or go all-in to any bet after the flop. That is what you are wanting anyways so why put him all-in when you did not hit. He calls the smaller raise and you could check/fold and still have 3k left which is over 10 BB and not make yourself shortstacked yet. You did not leave yourself any wiggle room in this hand.

This is a good example of realizing what your preflop bet amount can do to your post flop play. Your slightly oversized preflop raise just got you in trouble after the flop. Smaller bets here pre and post flop would have accomplished the same thing in the end with less risk.

As far as you opponent. I know it was a donkey hand that called the preflop raise, but he has open ended striaght draw, flush draw and one over. He has 18 outs against you. What a miracle flop, he has a 60% chance to improve in the next 2 cards.
 
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CaptnDaveCoulthard

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First Hand Was Just Sick Dude, Never Get Used To Them :/ The Second Hand, Man Wat A Donkey, Did He Play Like That All Tourny? If So A Dont Really Like The Play After The Flop, You May Want To Be A Little Tighter Against Such Unpredictable, Well, Donkeys
 
Zorba

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I dont understand why you call the man donkey with str8 draw & flush draw on the flop that was gutsy play the only donkey here bet 2400 with nothing. (no offence Zendale) donkey was not my word.
 
CaptnDaveCoulthard

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Why He's A Donkey

You Really Need More Information To Judge But If He Is Consistently Making Those Plays And Chasing His Draws Then He's Not Making Profitable Plays. Also Calling A Preflop Raise With J4S Shows The Amatuer Play Of Being Unwilling To Fold Any Two Suited Cards. It's More These Factors Than The One Of Call After The Flop With The Draws Which Make Him A Donkey. Although I Agree That It Was Quite A Poor Play To Bet With The AK After Missing.
 
tonymaclennan

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He had alot of outs - but I agree with Titans... why bet nearly half your stack at this pot?
 
Zorba

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Your right Capt, after reviewing that hand i noticed that i blew it i thought they all limped, I only looked at the showdown part of the hand info.:eek:
 
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