Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Thanks I'm looking forward to try the Upswing package in the future. I do follow a lot of his free stuff. Will look into this as well.
Thanks I'm looking forward to try the Upswing package in the future. I do follow a lot of his free stuff. Will look into this as well.
K
KFlint
Rock Star
Silver Level
Did you order it? I did and I thought it was quite basic, but it's not expensive. For beginners it might help though.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Hey! I'm in! Good luck!
I chose one hand to review.....
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 105 BB (VPIP: 29.59, PFR: 15.55, 3Bet Preflop: 4.28, Hands: 6,226)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 105 BB (VPIP: 29.04, PFR: 15.81, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 6,771)
CO: 109 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 15.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 6,615)
BTN: 144.5 BB (VPIP: 29.43, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 5.09, Hands: 5,859)
SB: 197.5 BB (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 4.91, Hands: 6,829)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc Js
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB
Flop : (21 BB, 2 players) Kd 2s 7c
SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB raises to 35 BB, Hero calls 24 BB
Turn : (91 BB, 2 players) 5s
SB bets 152.5 BB and is all-in, fold
SB wins 239 BB
So, here goes.
When you open JJ here, that's fine. When you get 3b, that's fine to call and proceed.
However....
This is a super dry board.
When this guy checks flop, we check back. There are no draws. What are we trying to get value from?
Your thoughts should be "What am I trying to accomplish?"
If we bet flop, what are we getting value from? 10-10, 9-9, 8-8? A-Q?
Pretty thin. We need to check back, take a free card here. When you bet, and he raises, just fold. That is (one of) the most important thing in poker. Don't pay people off.
What is our plan, after we call the flop C/R? Hit a jack? Are we bluffing flop when we bet, or betting for value?
Always ask yourself this question. "Is this bet for value, or a bluff?"
If you don't know the answer, or aren't sure, take the free card in position.
If value, next question is "what worse hands call here?"
When he check raises, "ok, what do we beat? Is it likely this guy is C/R here with air?"
By checking back flop, we can call turn (if he bets). Keep pot smaller. Cheaper to call. Encourages a bluff or bad bet. Even if we check back flop, call turn, we still need to re-assess river. Like "are we good here?"
The answer to that question should be based on the history we have seen from this villain. If we have no history, yeah, don't lose a bunch of BB with a bluff catcher.
"Circle back the whip." This means to me, wait for a better spot, a more clear spot where we know we are likely to be ahead. We can just be patient, and try to stay out of no man's land (like we don't beat much, we are unsure, etc).
I'm a live player. My advice may be out of touch somewhat with online play. But, this is a clear check back on the flop. We don't bet. We inflate pots with big hands. We keep them small with little hands. JJ on K-7-2r or whatever is a little hand. Getting C/R here is bad. Auto fold after C/R.
I also recommend upswing poker. It will educate you on how to clearly assign value to a hand.
Category 1, 2, 3, 4.
So, homework for you, do some research. Try to find articles and things to help educate you on how strong/weak your hands are. A-K pretty strong on K-7-2r.
KK obv the nuts. 7-7, 2-2. All hands we are happy getting large sums of money in. JJ is not in that category. It is like a bluff catcher, with barely any chance of improving. We only have two outs to improve.
If we had say Ad-6d on 4d-7d-5s, yeah, we can hit 9 flush outs, 6 straight outs (which may not get paid, 4 straight boards scare people), we also have 1 over card, the ace, which can beat a hand like 9-9.
These are just some random thoughts and examples.
So, keep at it man! Study. First and foremost, learn how to think on your feet. Assess your hands accurately, know when to bet, when to keep pot small, etc.
It took me a long time to know what to do. Heck, I still make lots of mistakes. But, the more we play, the more we talk about spots, the more we learn.
I'm in man! Run it up!
I chose one hand to review.....
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 105 BB (VPIP: 29.59, PFR: 15.55, 3Bet Preflop: 4.28, Hands: 6,226)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 105 BB (VPIP: 29.04, PFR: 15.81, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 6,771)
CO: 109 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 15.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 6,615)
BTN: 144.5 BB (VPIP: 29.43, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 5.09, Hands: 5,859)
SB: 197.5 BB (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 4.91, Hands: 6,829)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc Js
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB
Flop : (21 BB, 2 players) Kd 2s 7c
SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB raises to 35 BB, Hero calls 24 BB
Turn : (91 BB, 2 players) 5s
SB bets 152.5 BB and is all-in, fold
SB wins 239 BB
So, here goes.
When you open JJ here, that's fine. When you get 3b, that's fine to call and proceed.
However....
This is a super dry board.
When this guy checks flop, we check back. There are no draws. What are we trying to get value from?
Your thoughts should be "What am I trying to accomplish?"
If we bet flop, what are we getting value from? 10-10, 9-9, 8-8? A-Q?
Pretty thin. We need to check back, take a free card here. When you bet, and he raises, just fold. That is (one of) the most important thing in poker. Don't pay people off.
What is our plan, after we call the flop C/R? Hit a jack? Are we bluffing flop when we bet, or betting for value?
Always ask yourself this question. "Is this bet for value, or a bluff?"
If you don't know the answer, or aren't sure, take the free card in position.
If value, next question is "what worse hands call here?"
When he check raises, "ok, what do we beat? Is it likely this guy is C/R here with air?"
By checking back flop, we can call turn (if he bets). Keep pot smaller. Cheaper to call. Encourages a bluff or bad bet. Even if we check back flop, call turn, we still need to re-assess river. Like "are we good here?"
The answer to that question should be based on the history we have seen from this villain. If we have no history, yeah, don't lose a bunch of BB with a bluff catcher.
"Circle back the whip." This means to me, wait for a better spot, a more clear spot where we know we are likely to be ahead. We can just be patient, and try to stay out of no man's land (like we don't beat much, we are unsure, etc).
I'm a live player. My advice may be out of touch somewhat with online play. But, this is a clear check back on the flop. We don't bet. We inflate pots with big hands. We keep them small with little hands. JJ on K-7-2r or whatever is a little hand. Getting C/R here is bad. Auto fold after C/R.
I also recommend upswing poker. It will educate you on how to clearly assign value to a hand.
Category 1, 2, 3, 4.
So, homework for you, do some research. Try to find articles and things to help educate you on how strong/weak your hands are. A-K pretty strong on K-7-2r.
KK obv the nuts. 7-7, 2-2. All hands we are happy getting large sums of money in. JJ is not in that category. It is like a bluff catcher, with barely any chance of improving. We only have two outs to improve.
If we had say Ad-6d on 4d-7d-5s, yeah, we can hit 9 flush outs, 6 straight outs (which may not get paid, 4 straight boards scare people), we also have 1 over card, the ace, which can beat a hand like 9-9.
These are just some random thoughts and examples.
So, keep at it man! Study. First and foremost, learn how to think on your feet. Assess your hands accurately, know when to bet, when to keep pot small, etc.
It took me a long time to know what to do. Heck, I still make lots of mistakes. But, the more we play, the more we talk about spots, the more we learn.
I'm in man! Run it up!
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Forgot to add.
If we flip JJ hand around, lets say we are in the blind. Dude opens in late position (you, with JJ).
We 3b for value pre with say KK, AA, AK, whatever.
Flop is K-7-2r.
If we have KK, what in the world can our opponent have? Air most of the time. If we bet, V prob just folds.
So we check.
Out opponent bets for us.
Wet boards = value to be had, but we get drawn out on (sometimes)....
Dry boards = nothing to get value from. Have to let our opponents catch up/bluff sometimes.
If we flip JJ hand around, lets say we are in the blind. Dude opens in late position (you, with JJ).
We 3b for value pre with say KK, AA, AK, whatever.
Flop is K-7-2r.
If we have KK, what in the world can our opponent have? Air most of the time. If we bet, V prob just folds.
So we check.
Out opponent bets for us.
Wet boards = value to be had, but we get drawn out on (sometimes)....
Dry boards = nothing to get value from. Have to let our opponents catch up/bluff sometimes.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Thanks Bean! Glad to have you on board!
Yeah the hand you picked is a WA/WB as figaroo taught me. Checking is the best play here I understand that. By betting the flop my intention was to make him fold but it is a bad play because I'm in trouble if he raises or even calls the bet.
Doesn't matter whether you play online or live. Any help is welcome.
I know the small things like hand strengths & counting the outs & calculating pot odds & such. But doesn't hurt to revise. Thanks again.
Yeah the hand you picked is a WA/WB as figaroo taught me. Checking is the best play here I understand that. By betting the flop my intention was to make him fold but it is a bad play because I'm in trouble if he raises or even calls the bet.
Doesn't matter whether you play online or live. Any help is welcome.
I know the small things like hand strengths & counting the outs & calculating pot odds & such. But doesn't hurt to revise. Thanks again.
B
braveslice
Pull-ups!
Silver Level
'I'm in trouble if he raises or even calls the bet.' You shouldn't be, just don't put more money to the pot.
imo betting it is not that big mistake (even though we can argue that in theoretical stand point it is), he has all the over cards and you are happy to take it down, checking is easier, but imo the mistake was really putting more money to the pot. Also agression and then no CB but check lines are usually more check/call than check/raise lines in micors, call parts is very wide including lots of pairs and A highs. Not to mention any suited players will call flop usually with anything. These comments do not take account villain's stats, witch indicate that he mostly don't do big mistakes in this specific case.
Btw in the table you were playing had zero obvious fish? What's the point of regular tables if no fish?
imo betting it is not that big mistake (even though we can argue that in theoretical stand point it is), he has all the over cards and you are happy to take it down, checking is easier, but imo the mistake was really putting more money to the pot. Also agression and then no CB but check lines are usually more check/call than check/raise lines in micors, call parts is very wide including lots of pairs and A highs. Not to mention any suited players will call flop usually with anything. These comments do not take account villain's stats, witch indicate that he mostly don't do big mistakes in this specific case.
Btw in the table you were playing had zero obvious fish? What's the point of regular tables if no fish?
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Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
I usually open up to 6 tables at party. And unlikely many short stacks there.
And a lesser amount of tables. I don't have that much of a problem playing regs either.
Sometimes opens up a table to play HU and quickly it fills up.
If I don't see a table being profitable I close it down of course.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Had a short session at party but apparently the PT4 says I played over 2 hours! Maybe perhaps because I've been playing HU for sometime.
Won around $6.
One thing I hate is no one likes to play HU against a player but as soon as I sit down at the table to play, quickly it fills up. I put much effort to reading the V, analyzing his betting patterns and such but when it comes to the good part, a couple of players swarms in and ruin the fun!
Tried to play HU against a fish where we started 4 new tables! but couldn't get it going cause soon as we start playing it fills up. And the bugger gave me 50BB and the very next hand or the second came with a full stack and shoved A5 pre to my AK. Ace on the flop and sadly a 5 on the river. That was the beginning of the session but managed to reduce the losses there by going 50 BB up again.
Party roll up to - $68.55
At the end of the session tried another HU game against a fish, won around 20 BB from him & then another fishy player arrived and caught a flush and took it and then some away.
His stats look decent but I've played with him before and his plays aren't actually standard. Didn't feel like folding against him.
Won around $6.
One thing I hate is no one likes to play HU against a player but as soon as I sit down at the table to play, quickly it fills up. I put much effort to reading the V, analyzing his betting patterns and such but when it comes to the good part, a couple of players swarms in and ruin the fun!
Tried to play HU against a fish where we started 4 new tables! but couldn't get it going cause soon as we start playing it fills up. And the bugger gave me 50BB and the very next hand or the second came with a full stack and shoved A5 pre to my AK. Ace on the flop and sadly a 5 on the river. That was the beginning of the session but managed to reduce the losses there by going 50 BB up again.
Party roll up to - $68.55
At the end of the session tried another HU game against a fish, won around 20 BB from him & then another fishy player arrived and caught a flush and took it and then some away.
His stats look decent but I've played with him before and his plays aren't actually standard. Didn't feel like folding against him.
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.85, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.50, Hands: 7,596)
Hero (BTN): 122.5 BB
SB: 26 BB (VPIP: 27.94, PFR: 16.19, 3Bet Preflop: 5.24, Hands: 8,414)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jh Ah
Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB
Flop : (9 BB, 3 players) Ac Jc 7h
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, SB calls 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB
Turn : (27 BB, 3 players) 9c
SB checks, BB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB
River : (66 BB, 3 players) Kd
SB checks, BB bets 31.5 BB, Hero calls 31.5 BB, fold
BB shows 6c Tc (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 36%, Flop 35%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks Jh Ah (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 64%, Flop 65%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 123 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.85, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.50, Hands: 7,596)
Hero (BTN): 122.5 BB
SB: 26 BB (VPIP: 27.94, PFR: 16.19, 3Bet Preflop: 5.24, Hands: 8,414)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jh Ah
Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB
Flop : (9 BB, 3 players) Ac Jc 7h
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, SB calls 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB
Turn : (27 BB, 3 players) 9c
SB checks, BB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB
River : (66 BB, 3 players) Kd
SB checks, BB bets 31.5 BB, Hero calls 31.5 BB, fold
BB shows 6c Tc (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 36%, Flop 35%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks Jh Ah (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 64%, Flop 65%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 123 BB
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Not many interesting hands though.
Here are my most profitable hands
I felt checking the turn slow playing the boat because for one, the BU was going full aggro making snap raises and bets & second the only hand that'd beat me is quads. I actually put him on a KK,AA that's why after the BB folded I shoved. Very stupid play by him IMO
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Against the same opponent in another table later on. Thought of slow playing aces here because I felt it's not hard to get all his chips in a favorable board after the previous hand. And I felt he had a kind of a grudge against me as well.
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The third hand I lost big after AK pre & the flush vs two pair.
Should I check back the river? I felt he'd value bet if he had a set or a boat. Maybe didn't because of a possible straight. Was a bit distracted at other tables while playing the hand.
Btw if anyone knows of some good HU articles & strategies to read, I'd love to take a look at those.
Upswings HU course is expensive I think.
Here are my most profitable hands
I felt checking the turn slow playing the boat because for one, the BU was going full aggro making snap raises and bets & second the only hand that'd beat me is quads. I actually put him on a KK,AA that's why after the BB folded I shoved. Very stupid play by him IMO
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.68, PFR: 15.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 7,347)
Hero (CO): 108 BB
BTN: 195 BB (VPIP: 29.01, PFR: 16.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.59, Hands: 8,076)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.02, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.75, Hands: 7,141)
BB: 275 BB (VPIP: 27.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.22, Hands: 8,200)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9c 9s
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 10.5 BB, fold, BB calls 9.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB
Flop : (32 BB, 3 players) 6c 9d 5c
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 22.5 BB, BB calls 22.5 BB, Hero calls 22.5 BB
Turn : (99.5 BB, 3 players) 6s
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 47.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 75 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 27.5 BB
River : (249.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
BTN shows Tc Ts (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 83%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 9c 9s (Full House, Nines full of Sixes)
(Pre 17%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 237.5 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.68, PFR: 15.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 7,347)
Hero (CO): 108 BB
BTN: 195 BB (VPIP: 29.01, PFR: 16.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.59, Hands: 8,076)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.02, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.75, Hands: 7,141)
BB: 275 BB (VPIP: 27.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.22, Hands: 8,200)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9c 9s
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 10.5 BB, fold, BB calls 9.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB
Flop : (32 BB, 3 players) 6c 9d 5c
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 22.5 BB, BB calls 22.5 BB, Hero calls 22.5 BB
Turn : (99.5 BB, 3 players) 6s
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 47.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 75 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 27.5 BB
River : (249.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
BTN shows Tc Ts (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 83%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 9c 9s (Full House, Nines full of Sixes)
(Pre 17%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 237.5 BB
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partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 146.5 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 15.73, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 7,487)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 7,042)
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 29.23, PFR: 15.87, 3Bet Preflop: 5.45, Hands: 8,032)
BB: 232 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 16.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 8,194)
Hero (UTG): 135.5 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.22, Hands: 8,313)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Kc
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 11 BB, Hero raises to 25.5 BB, BB calls 14.5 BB
Flop : (51.5 BB, 2 players) Qc 8d Kd
BB checks, Hero bets 15 BB, BB raises to 206.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 95 BB and is all-in
Turn : (271.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
River : (271.5 BB, 2 players) 3h
Hero shows As Kc (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 69%, Flop 54%, Turn 73%)
BB shows Ad Jd (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 31%, Flop 46%, Turn 27%)
BB wins 96.5 BB
Hero wins 258 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 146.5 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 15.73, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 7,487)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 7,042)
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 29.23, PFR: 15.87, 3Bet Preflop: 5.45, Hands: 8,032)
BB: 232 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 16.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 8,194)
Hero (UTG): 135.5 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.22, Hands: 8,313)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Kc
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 11 BB, Hero raises to 25.5 BB, BB calls 14.5 BB
Flop : (51.5 BB, 2 players) Qc 8d Kd
BB checks, Hero bets 15 BB, BB raises to 206.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 95 BB and is all-in
Turn : (271.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
River : (271.5 BB, 2 players) 3h
Hero shows As Kc (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 69%, Flop 54%, Turn 73%)
BB shows Ad Jd (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 31%, Flop 46%, Turn 27%)
BB wins 96.5 BB
Hero wins 258 BB
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Against the same opponent in another table later on. Thought of slow playing aces here because I felt it's not hard to get all his chips in a favorable board after the previous hand. And I felt he had a kind of a grudge against me as well.
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG: 85.5 BB (VPIP: 29.80, PFR: 15.75, 3Bet Preflop: 4.48, Hands: 7,501)
MP: 145.5 BB (VPIP: 28.86, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 7,050)
Hero (CO): 130.5 BB
BTN: 102 BB (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 16.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.62, Hands: 8,206)
SB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 28.93, PFR: 16.21, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 7,267)
BB: 113 BB (VPIP: 27.85, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 8,325)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Ah
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 8 BB
Flop : (22.5 BB, 2 players) 9d 6s Td
BB bets 17.5 BB, Hero calls 17.5 BB
Turn : (57.5 BB, 2 players) 9s
BB bets 84.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 84.5 BB
River : (226.5 BB, 2 players) 4d
BB shows Qs Qh (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 18%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows Ac Ah (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 82%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 215.5 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG: 85.5 BB (VPIP: 29.80, PFR: 15.75, 3Bet Preflop: 4.48, Hands: 7,501)
MP: 145.5 BB (VPIP: 28.86, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 7,050)
Hero (CO): 130.5 BB
BTN: 102 BB (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 16.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.62, Hands: 8,206)
SB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 28.93, PFR: 16.21, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 7,267)
BB: 113 BB (VPIP: 27.85, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 8,325)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Ah
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 8 BB
Flop : (22.5 BB, 2 players) 9d 6s Td
BB bets 17.5 BB, Hero calls 17.5 BB
Turn : (57.5 BB, 2 players) 9s
BB bets 84.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 84.5 BB
River : (226.5 BB, 2 players) 4d
BB shows Qs Qh (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 18%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows Ac Ah (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 82%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 215.5 BB
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The third hand I lost big after AK pre & the flush vs two pair.
Should I check back the river? I felt he'd value bet if he had a set or a boat. Maybe didn't because of a possible straight. Was a bit distracted at other tables while playing the hand.
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
SB: 109 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 7,258)
BB: 98 BB (VPIP: 28.98, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 6.89, Hands: 6,903)
UTG: 106.5 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 7,857)
MP: 133 BB (VPIP: 29.09, PFR: 16.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.64, Hands: 7,997)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.99, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.75, Hands: 7,089)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ah
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold
Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 4h Jd Jc
SB checks, Hero bets 3.5 BB, SB calls 3.5 BB
Turn : (14 BB, 2 players) Ts
SB checks, Hero bets 9.5 BB, SB calls 9.5 BB
River : (33 BB, 2 players) 9d
SB checks, Hero bets 22.5 BB, SB calls 22.5 BB
Hero shows As Ah (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
SB shows Qh Jh (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
SB wins 74.5 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
SB: 109 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 7,258)
BB: 98 BB (VPIP: 28.98, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 6.89, Hands: 6,903)
UTG: 106.5 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 7,857)
MP: 133 BB (VPIP: 29.09, PFR: 16.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.64, Hands: 7,997)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.99, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.75, Hands: 7,089)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ah
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold
Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 4h Jd Jc
SB checks, Hero bets 3.5 BB, SB calls 3.5 BB
Turn : (14 BB, 2 players) Ts
SB checks, Hero bets 9.5 BB, SB calls 9.5 BB
River : (33 BB, 2 players) 9d
SB checks, Hero bets 22.5 BB, SB calls 22.5 BB
Hero shows As Ah (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
SB shows Qh Jh (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
SB wins 74.5 BB
Btw if anyone knows of some good HU articles & strategies to read, I'd love to take a look at those.
Upswings HU course is expensive I think.
K
KFlint
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yeah, 999$ is way too much though for me but I would really like to buy it.
This is pretty much the best book you can read regarding HU play even if published 5 years ago, Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’Em by Will Tipton, not sure if it's allowed to post the link, please mods remove it if not :
http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=438635
Enjoy!
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Had another session. Don't remember how long though & somehow PT4 is not showing it.
Won around $6 at party.
Party roll up to - $74.11
I've changed my targets a bit. Not gonna continue at 888 & Bet365 until I finish at party & Stars.
Playing full ring at 888 has been a bit boring to me recently but will continue there after stars & party have been finished.
Hopefully party roll will grow very quickly due my good run there plus the bonus rewards.
Promotions at party are really good.
Some hands
I totally felt he was overplaying AK,AQ here. He has been very aggressive against me. Surprised by the call but probably thought I was bluffing as well.
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HU against a fish. One thing I've noticed while playing HU is players become very impatient very quickly. The people who've been playing passive loosing just 10,20 BB quickly changes their game going full aggro. This one was like that as well. But a bit of a cooler though.
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HU against another impatient fish. He flipped it on the river.
I need to really improve my SB game. BvsB I've changed my game from aggro to passive in a sense even if I catch TP. Only goes aggro when I feel I have the best hand or the nuts to get value.
Won around $6 at party.
Party roll up to - $74.11
I've changed my targets a bit. Not gonna continue at 888 & Bet365 until I finish at party & Stars.
Playing full ring at 888 has been a bit boring to me recently but will continue there after stars & party have been finished.
Hopefully party roll will grow very quickly due my good run there plus the bonus rewards.
Promotions at party are really good.
Some hands
I totally felt he was overplaying AK,AQ here. He has been very aggressive against me. Surprised by the call but probably thought I was bluffing as well.
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (SB): 171.5 BB
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 28.83, PFR: 15.89, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 8,742)
CO: 168.5 BB (VPIP: 28.91, PFR: 16.41, 3Bet Preflop: 4.72, Hands: 7,658)
BTN: 256 BB (VPIP: 28.18, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 8,923)
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Td Ts
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB
Flop : (18 BB, 2 players) 6h 3s 4d
Hero checks, BB bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 33.5 BB, BB calls 22.5 BB
Turn : (85 BB, 2 players) 6s
Hero bets 58.5 BB, BB calls 58.5 BB and is all-in
River : (202 BB, 2 players) Qh
Hero shows Td Ts (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 56%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)
BB shows Ad Ks (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 44%, Flop 26%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 192 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (SB): 171.5 BB
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 28.83, PFR: 15.89, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 8,742)
CO: 168.5 BB (VPIP: 28.91, PFR: 16.41, 3Bet Preflop: 4.72, Hands: 7,658)
BTN: 256 BB (VPIP: 28.18, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 8,923)
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Td Ts
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB
Flop : (18 BB, 2 players) 6h 3s 4d
Hero checks, BB bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 33.5 BB, BB calls 22.5 BB
Turn : (85 BB, 2 players) 6s
Hero bets 58.5 BB, BB calls 58.5 BB and is all-in
River : (202 BB, 2 players) Qh
Hero shows Td Ts (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 56%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)
BB shows Ad Ks (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 44%, Flop 26%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 192 BB
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HU against a fish. One thing I've noticed while playing HU is players become very impatient very quickly. The people who've been playing passive loosing just 10,20 BB quickly changes their game going full aggro. This one was like that as well. But a bit of a cooler though.
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 88 BB (VPIP: 28.92, PFR: 15.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.60, Hands: 8,801)
Hero (SB): 156 BB
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc Kc
Hero raises to 2 BB, BB raises to 5.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB
Flop : (11 BB, 2 players) Ac 3c 9c
BB bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, BB calls 8 BB
Turn : (43 BB, 2 players) 3d
BB checks, Hero checks
River : (43 BB, 2 players) 7c
BB bets 16 BB, Hero raises to 68.5 BB, BB calls 50.5 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Jc Kc (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
BB shows Qs Qc (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 68%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 2 BB
Hero wins 167.5 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 88 BB (VPIP: 28.92, PFR: 15.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.60, Hands: 8,801)
Hero (SB): 156 BB
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc Kc
Hero raises to 2 BB, BB raises to 5.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB
Flop : (11 BB, 2 players) Ac 3c 9c
BB bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, BB calls 8 BB
Turn : (43 BB, 2 players) 3d
BB checks, Hero checks
River : (43 BB, 2 players) 7c
BB bets 16 BB, Hero raises to 68.5 BB, BB calls 50.5 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Jc Kc (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
BB shows Qs Qc (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 68%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 2 BB
Hero wins 167.5 BB
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HU against another impatient fish. He flipped it on the river.
partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
SB: 52.5 BB (VPIP: 29.12, PFR: 16.72, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 7,522)
Hero (BB): 196.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Th Ts
SB raises to 52.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 51.5 BB
Flop : (105 BB, 2 players) Kh Ks 4d
Turn : (105 BB, 2 players) 9d
River : (105 BB, 2 players) Qs
SB shows Qc Ac (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows Th Ts (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)
SB wins 100 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
SB: 52.5 BB (VPIP: 29.12, PFR: 16.72, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 7,522)
Hero (BB): 196.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Th Ts
SB raises to 52.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 51.5 BB
Flop : (105 BB, 2 players) Kh Ks 4d
Turn : (105 BB, 2 players) 9d
River : (105 BB, 2 players) Qs
SB shows Qc Ac (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows Th Ts (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)
SB wins 100 BB
I need to really improve my SB game. BvsB I've changed my game from aggro to passive in a sense even if I catch TP. Only goes aggro when I feel I have the best hand or the nuts to get value.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
What I meant was if he calls my cbet on the flop and leads out a cbet himself on the turn it'd be a bit hard to continue. If I call it and he fires again on the river for value what should I do? When calling the turn lead I should think about the river should I not? Same if turn goes check check and he bets the river, although it'd be a cheap showdown.
So I think checking is the best possible play.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
This was a dangerous line in a three bet pot, you are only 50/50 aainst a 6% 3bet range. Not sure why you think you are ahead here and you aren't getting called on the turn by worse here very often.
This is a theme in you play you need to think about, don't make bets that are only usually going to be called by better hands. Total spew by the villian here that won't happen very often
I bet the turn half pot here everytime, if he has an ace he's calling and it makes it easier to gii on the river when they feel a bit more committed.
You don't need to slow down betting your good hands unless you absolutely have smashed and blocked the board and need to give them a chance to catch something.
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Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
He'd definitely bet the turn if I checked. Then what am I supposed to do? Call & go for a cheaper showdown? And the river is a great bluff card for him. i'm sure he'd ship it in from the way he played the hands before.
Plus it was blind vs blind. So his 3bet range could be very wide.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Well if you elect to play out of position without the initiative in a 3bet pot with TT then you are going to get into tough spots!!
Generally if you think he's 3betting wide then 4 bet him, I 4bet from the SB in BvB all the time and they usually all get through.
TT isn't the best hand to 4 bet though as if he 5bet shoves you are priced in to call it off.
Calling the 3bet does look correct here but you have to accept its going to be really tough to play this hand in this position.
The best way to make money in this spot from an overly aggressive player is to play to his weakness which is putting too much money into the pot with weak holdings, which you exploit by calling his ass down.
What were you going to do if he shoved the flop on you here? Were you looking to gii on the flop? If so check raise bigger as well, you gave him 22bb to call into a pot of over 60bb. If you weren't happy to gii I wouldn't have been check raising.
You have showdown value to call down on that runout.
And if you have a capable and aggro player on your left like this then just jump off the table and go somewhere else. You want quiet nits on your left and aggros, if you have to play with them, on your right.
I'm surprised you don't like 888 its full of fish, I had 4 fish and two regs on a 10nl table this morning on 888. Details in my thread.
Generally if you think he's 3betting wide then 4 bet him, I 4bet from the SB in BvB all the time and they usually all get through.
TT isn't the best hand to 4 bet though as if he 5bet shoves you are priced in to call it off.
Calling the 3bet does look correct here but you have to accept its going to be really tough to play this hand in this position.
The best way to make money in this spot from an overly aggressive player is to play to his weakness which is putting too much money into the pot with weak holdings, which you exploit by calling his ass down.
What were you going to do if he shoved the flop on you here? Were you looking to gii on the flop? If so check raise bigger as well, you gave him 22bb to call into a pot of over 60bb. If you weren't happy to gii I wouldn't have been check raising.
You have showdown value to call down on that runout.
And if you have a capable and aggro player on your left like this then just jump off the table and go somewhere else. You want quiet nits on your left and aggros, if you have to play with them, on your right.
I'm surprised you don't like 888 its full of fish, I had 4 fish and two regs on a 10nl table this morning on 888. Details in my thread.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
No I don't think I would've called a shove on the flop. I understand your point and know that the shove was not the play here. But my point being that he'd go the distance with his hand on this board being in position will make me fold the better hand. Then it all comes to position and making the hero call
BTW I love 888. There's so many fish there as you said. But at 2NL 6max, max buy in is 50BB which I hate. Can only play full stack in full ring which is boring to me right now. But will change to there if I need a new scenario.
And I saw your thread as well. Never have seen deuces played like that even at 2NL.
And I need to improve my SB game. Any articles you know of that'd be helpful?
And thanks again.
BTW I love 888. There's so many fish there as you said. But at 2NL 6max, max buy in is 50BB which I hate. Can only play full stack in full ring which is boring to me right now. But will change to there if I need a new scenario.
And I saw your thread as well. Never have seen deuces played like that even at 2NL.
And I need to improve my SB game. Any articles you know of that'd be helpful?
And thanks again.
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Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
I do a lot
But no harm in sharing my thoughts as well.Today tried a couple of sessions.
In the morning tried playing at stars. Not a good session & wasn't motivated. A break even session as I remember. In the evening tried playing some sattys, tourneys. On sattys got rivered thrice. Got qualified to two tourneys though. All the tourneys didn't go well. I made really stupid mistakes which I shouldn't have done at all. I think one reason is me being demotivated & uninterested.
Went down around $5 from tourneys.
Spent some time with my family & my sisters and had a cool shower & tried on a midnight session at party. This time I wanted to challenge my self for wasting my time playing stupid lazy poker & took the things to a higher level by trying 5NL.
The start didn't go well as usual. But then things picked up & ended the session over 3 buy ins. Only played 3 tables, & being a short session & my first profitable 5NL session, I'd say a great result indeed.
Length - 1.36
Hands - 477
BB/100 - 68.89
Net won - $16.43
I was & still am a bit hesitant to play 5NL specially because the bets seem quite big in comparison with 2NL. What you would call a small pot would usually be around $1 @ 5NL. I think this feeling is due to the transition from 2NL to 5NL.
And people don't seem to be afraid to call 3 bets or even 4 bets!
One hand I 4 bet with KK and went big against 55. And I saw a player who would bluff 3bet & 4bet a lot.
As time goes by in became a lot easier. Other players are the same as me. Some are hesitant to play & some are super loose. When you play your game it doesn't seem that big of a deal.
Of course still a lot to learn & a lot to improve.
A special thanks to Figaroo & Keith who has helped me immensely so far.
Here's how my graph looks like today.
While I seem to do alright at cash, I suck at tournament play it seems. I never seem to run deep in stars tourneys. Not sure if it's due to the huge amount of players, variance, donks getting lucky or me being shitty as hell.
So thinking of skipping 0.55 & 1.10 tourneys & trying 2.20 to 5.50 by playing sattys.
party roll up to - $91.42
stars roll atm - $57.55
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Some hands from the yesterday's 5NL session.
Some hands I played very differently. Probably due to me being scared at 5NL or perhaps not being calm. You could argue it's FPS. But any input is welcome.
Ok I know I'm gonna get wrecked for how I played this hand. At first I was scared a bit being at 5NL. After the board paired, don't know. Went for max value I think. Not the greatest play I know. But felt letting the V know that I don't have a K would help me get more from him.
Anyway I'm really struggling with my SB game.
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This was a raise on the turn I think. But the way he snap bet pre,flop & turn made me limit his range very easily.
But as soon as the river card hit I felt I made a mistake & should've raised on the turn. Cause AKs would get there.
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Thoughts?Bigger flop bet? One thing I'm experimenting with is showing weakness with a premium holding to get more chips from the V.
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BvsB
Some hands I played very differently. Probably due to me being scared at 5NL or perhaps not being calm. You could argue it's FPS. But any input is welcome.
Ok I know I'm gonna get wrecked for how I played this hand. At first I was scared a bit being at 5NL. After the board paired, don't know. Went for max value I think. Not the greatest play I know. But felt letting the V know that I don't have a K would help me get more from him.
Anyway I'm really struggling with my SB game.
partypoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.80, Hands: 9,041)
BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 9,444)
Hero (SB): 169 BB
BB: 273 BB (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 8,564)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 10,270)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.6 BB
Flop : (17 BB, 2 players) Th Kc 6s
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, BTN calls 20 BB
River : (73 BB, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 133 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 94.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Ac Ks (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Qs Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 38.4 BB
Hero wins 249.2 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.80, Hands: 9,041)
BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 9,444)
Hero (SB): 169 BB
BB: 273 BB (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 8,564)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 10,270)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.6 BB
Flop : (17 BB, 2 players) Th Kc 6s
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, BTN calls 20 BB
River : (73 BB, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 133 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 94.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Ac Ks (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Qs Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 38.4 BB
Hero wins 249.2 BB
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This was a raise on the turn I think. But the way he snap bet pre,flop & turn made me limit his range very easily.
But as soon as the river card hit I felt I made a mistake & should've raised on the turn. Cause AKs would get there.
partypoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.80, Hands: 9,041)
BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 9,444)
Hero (SB): 169 BB
BB: 273 BB (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 8,564)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 10,270)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.6 BB
Flop : (17 BB, 2 players) Th Kc 6s
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, BTN calls 20 BB
River : (73 BB, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 133 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 94.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Ac Ks (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Qs Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 38.4 BB
Hero wins 249.2 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.80, Hands: 9,041)
BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 9,444)
Hero (SB): 169 BB
BB: 273 BB (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 8,564)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 10,270)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.6 BB
Flop : (17 BB, 2 players) Th Kc 6s
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, BTN calls 20 BB
River : (73 BB, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 133 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 94.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Ac Ks (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Qs Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 38.4 BB
Hero wins 249.2 BB
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Thoughts?Bigger flop bet? One thing I'm experimenting with is showing weakness with a premium holding to get more chips from the V.
partypoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 105.2 BB (VPIP: 29.88, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 8,939)
BTN: 93.6 BB (VPIP: 28.32, PFR: 16.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.40, Hands: 8,708)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.91, PFR: 15.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 9,334)
Hero (BB): 120 BB
UTG: 230 BB (VPIP: 28.74, PFR: 16.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.97, Hands: 8,495)
MP: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.52, Hands: 10,173)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac As
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5 BB
Flop : (16.4 BB, 2 players) 2d Kd 2s
Hero bets 7 BB, BTN raises to 26.6 BB, Hero calls 19.6 BB
Turn : (69.6 BB, 2 players) 8d
Hero checks, BTN bets 33 BB, Hero raises to 66 BB, BTN calls 26 BB and is all-in
River : (187.6 BB, 2 players) Jd
Hero shows Ac As (Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
(Pre 85%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Ks 3s (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)
(Pre 15%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 7 BB
Hero wins 178.4 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 105.2 BB (VPIP: 29.88, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 8,939)
BTN: 93.6 BB (VPIP: 28.32, PFR: 16.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.40, Hands: 8,708)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.91, PFR: 15.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 9,334)
Hero (BB): 120 BB
UTG: 230 BB (VPIP: 28.74, PFR: 16.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.97, Hands: 8,495)
MP: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.52, Hands: 10,173)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac As
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5 BB
Flop : (16.4 BB, 2 players) 2d Kd 2s
Hero bets 7 BB, BTN raises to 26.6 BB, Hero calls 19.6 BB
Turn : (69.6 BB, 2 players) 8d
Hero checks, BTN bets 33 BB, Hero raises to 66 BB, BTN calls 26 BB and is all-in
River : (187.6 BB, 2 players) Jd
Hero shows Ac As (Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
(Pre 85%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Ks 3s (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)
(Pre 15%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 7 BB
Hero wins 178.4 BB
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BvsB
partypoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
MP: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.88, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 8,938)
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 28.32, PFR: 16.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.40, Hands: 8,707)
BTN: 106.6 BB (VPIP: 28.92, PFR: 15.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 9,333)
Hero (SB): 186.8 BB
BB: 140.4 BB (VPIP: 28.73, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 4.97, Hands: 8,494)
UTG: 113.6 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.52, Hands: 10,172)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Qd Kh
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.8 BB, BB calls 1.8 BB
Flop : (5.6 BB, 2 players) 8c 5h Jh
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn : (5.6 BB, 2 players) Ks
Hero bets 3 BB, BB raises to 8.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB
River : (22.8 BB, 2 players) 4d
Hero checks, BB bets 16.2 BB, Hero calls 16.2 BB
BB shows Jd Kd (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Pre 30%, Flop 81%, Turn 93%)
Hero mucks Qd Kh (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 70%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
BB wins 52.6 BB
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
MP: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.88, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 8,938)
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 28.32, PFR: 16.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.40, Hands: 8,707)
BTN: 106.6 BB (VPIP: 28.92, PFR: 15.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 9,333)
Hero (SB): 186.8 BB
BB: 140.4 BB (VPIP: 28.73, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 4.97, Hands: 8,494)
UTG: 113.6 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.52, Hands: 10,172)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Qd Kh
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.8 BB, BB calls 1.8 BB
Flop : (5.6 BB, 2 players) 8c 5h Jh
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn : (5.6 BB, 2 players) Ks
Hero bets 3 BB, BB raises to 8.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB
River : (22.8 BB, 2 players) 4d
Hero checks, BB bets 16.2 BB, Hero calls 16.2 BB
BB shows Jd Kd (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Pre 30%, Flop 81%, Turn 93%)
Hero mucks Qd Kh (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 70%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
BB wins 52.6 BB
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Not sure what is happening with the Stats that get copied across from partypoker. Clearly if you have just moved up to 5nl then you don't have more than a couple of hundred hands on each player and not the 9k or 10k shown. I have noted this before when I've looked at hands from Party, also the stats of the players are just too close to be believeable especially in the first hand. Not sure what's going on to be honest.
In the AK hand I was a bit concerned you checked the flop but if ever there was a hand that shows the value of a check for deception then this is it.
A welcome total spew by the villian. I'm glad to see you followed the check with a check raise on the turn otherwise you'd have been losing value.
Generally when you have AK in a 3bet pot and you hit the flop Id say normally just bet it for value, occasionally the villian will have KQs KJs in this spot and you can stack him with value bets.
AA
I'd say try to get into the habit of making your cbets larger, 2/3 pot is better. If you made it 11-12bb here you are getting more value out of the hand and that leads to bigger pots and a better winrate.
Again once he calls the flop there's no need to check raise the turn he probably has a king and is going to keep calling.
The line you are taking here and in the AK hand will backfire on you when they check behind you on the turn and then you are losing quite a bit of value. When you have a value hand usually just keep betting it not just for value but to balance the times you are betting hard with your draws.
KQ
Turn raises are nearly always trouble (google "Baluga theorem") mainly because drawing hands tend to raise the flop when the power of the bluff is strong rather than on the turn when they only have one card to come. This means that generally nearly all turn raises are from strong made hands and unless you are strong yourself or have a good draw you should usually fold to a turn raise.
Having checked the flop through I think calling the small turn raise is ok but the river bet sizing stinks of value and a fold was required. Next time try to recognise 'Baluga' in that after the turn raise it is always followed by a solid value bet on the river. One pair doesn't usually cut it.
In the AK hand I was a bit concerned you checked the flop but if ever there was a hand that shows the value of a check for deception then this is it.
A welcome total spew by the villian. I'm glad to see you followed the check with a check raise on the turn otherwise you'd have been losing value.
Generally when you have AK in a 3bet pot and you hit the flop Id say normally just bet it for value, occasionally the villian will have KQs KJs in this spot and you can stack him with value bets.
AA
I'd say try to get into the habit of making your cbets larger, 2/3 pot is better. If you made it 11-12bb here you are getting more value out of the hand and that leads to bigger pots and a better winrate.
Again once he calls the flop there's no need to check raise the turn he probably has a king and is going to keep calling.
The line you are taking here and in the AK hand will backfire on you when they check behind you on the turn and then you are losing quite a bit of value. When you have a value hand usually just keep betting it not just for value but to balance the times you are betting hard with your draws.
KQ
Turn raises are nearly always trouble (google "Baluga theorem") mainly because drawing hands tend to raise the flop when the power of the bluff is strong rather than on the turn when they only have one card to come. This means that generally nearly all turn raises are from strong made hands and unless you are strong yourself or have a good draw you should usually fold to a turn raise.
Having checked the flop through I think calling the small turn raise is ok but the river bet sizing stinks of value and a fold was required. Next time try to recognise 'Baluga' in that after the turn raise it is always followed by a solid value bet on the river. One pair doesn't usually cut it.
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Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
partypoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.80, Hands: 9,041)
BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 9,444)
Hero (SB): 169 BB
BB: 273 BB (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 8,564)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 10,270)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.6 BB
Flop : (17 BB, 2 players) Th Kc 6s
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, BTN calls 20 BB
River : (73 BB, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 133 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 94.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Ac Ks (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Qs Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 38.4 BB
Hero wins 249.2 BB
Results aside, I think this is FPS here. In this particular case, you won, under repped your hand. However, let's talk about it.....
First off, I like the 3b pre. I would do the same.
On the flop, bet man. Value to be had (forget about the fact guy has QQ, and may fold).
There are straight draws, and we don't want to be giving free cards to our opponent, in this particular case.
On the turn, we have 1p, and you check again. Then C/R.... don't like this at all. We give our opponent a chance to find a fold with worse right here. What would you do if he clicks it back and rams a 3b down your throat? Are you getting it in? Folding? Once again, what are you trying to get value from?
Are you thinking about possible hands here that V could have? Like in real time, what are your thoughts? "We have top top, we ahead."
It just seems like FPS and slow play. I wouldn't do this.
Just bet flop, bet turn, and if the guy ever raises at any point, we re-assess our hand. No need to be tricky. This is $5 NL man.
Make hands, bet them. EZ game.
I would not make a habit of playing this way. If this guy ends up with a better hand here, we are just taking super strange line, and we in no mans land.
When you are just starting out, make things easier for yourself, and just bet for value on the flop and turn. If we check twice, and then the guy bets, we will find it difficult to know where we are, like especially if we check twice, then C/R turn, and worst case scenario guy ships on us....
We are essentially 3b pre as a bluff. We make a hand on the flop. Follow that up with a cbet. I would go about 65% pot "ish", adjust as needed for V tendencies, your image, etc.
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.80, Hands: 9,041)
BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 9,444)
Hero (SB): 169 BB
BB: 273 BB (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 8,564)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 10,270)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.6 BB
Flop : (17 BB, 2 players) Th Kc 6s
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, BTN calls 20 BB
River : (73 BB, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 133 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 94.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows Ac Ks (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows Qs Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 38.4 BB
Hero wins 249.2 BB
Results aside, I think this is FPS here. In this particular case, you won, under repped your hand. However, let's talk about it.....
First off, I like the 3b pre. I would do the same.
On the flop, bet man. Value to be had (forget about the fact guy has QQ, and may fold).
There are straight draws, and we don't want to be giving free cards to our opponent, in this particular case.
On the turn, we have 1p, and you check again. Then C/R.... don't like this at all. We give our opponent a chance to find a fold with worse right here. What would you do if he clicks it back and rams a 3b down your throat? Are you getting it in? Folding? Once again, what are you trying to get value from?
Are you thinking about possible hands here that V could have? Like in real time, what are your thoughts? "We have top top, we ahead."
It just seems like FPS and slow play. I wouldn't do this.
Just bet flop, bet turn, and if the guy ever raises at any point, we re-assess our hand. No need to be tricky. This is $5 NL man.
Make hands, bet them. EZ game.
I would not make a habit of playing this way. If this guy ends up with a better hand here, we are just taking super strange line, and we in no mans land.
When you are just starting out, make things easier for yourself, and just bet for value on the flop and turn. If we check twice, and then the guy bets, we will find it difficult to know where we are, like especially if we check twice, then C/R turn, and worst case scenario guy ships on us....
We are essentially 3b pre as a bluff. We make a hand on the flop. Follow that up with a cbet. I would go about 65% pot "ish", adjust as needed for V tendencies, your image, etc.