AA vs fish in microstakes cashgame?

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Hi,

Was wondering what would be the more rewarding strategy when having AA in a microstakes cashgame (6handed) when mostly fish are at the table (VPIP >50, PFR <10) according to your oppinions?

1) Raise preflop and value bet all streets?
2) Slowplay, call fish's bluffs and re-raise on the river? (if fish fires 3 barrels, that is...)

I know it depends on the fish type as some are absolute maniacs, some are less maniacs, depends on other players in the game,..but personally, I'm not really convinced of slowplaying aces against fish..

what would you say?:captain:

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Slowplaying against those kinds of players will just get your aces cracked. Raise and value bet depending on what comes on each street.
 
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Postflop AA is just a hand, and it should be played like any other hand. Whichever your holding you need to classify your hand as either value, showdown value or bluff. AA is usually not a bluff, because you always have at least an overpair, but it can be either value or showdown value depending on the board texture and previous action.

You never want to slowplay a vulnerable hand, and an overpair is extremely vulnerable, so that is pretty much never a good candidate for a slowplay. A full house or quads might be though, because its almost impossible to draw out on, and with AA you also block many of your opponents strong holdings. So on a board like A44 and even more AA4 it can be reasonable to slowplay AA and allow your opponents a chance to catch up a bit.
 
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One thing about micro stakes is that you should never slow play your hand. Many fish at these levels will call you regardless. Just need to be careful as they can often hit two pair as they will play any two cards, and they will normally call off thier stack with 3rd pair. Blackrain will talk about this in his crushing the micro stakes free book.
 
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I would slow play only if you have the nuts(and that's pushing it) because I tried to slow play a lot of hands in micro cash games and most of the time you don't get any value in the end and a lot of times they catch some ridiculous hands and you end up with your aces cracked.
 
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I agree with most of previous posts slowplaying aces on the micros is not a good move most of time the fish will hit at least two pairs and the other time you wont get value they will fold most of the times unless is a maniac on the micros the best advice I can say is bluff very very little and always play strong hands agressive and betting for value all the time and with the nuts or semi nut you could slowplay depending on the player good luck!
 
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I'd raise a lot preflop (like 5-10x) and try my best to get it all-in pre-flop or on the flop.

Sometimes I like to limp-shove if there are super aggro fish to my left. Like the players who always raise ~KTs and don't fold to a shove preflop.
 
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I will never slowplay, if they really are fish they will call my bet. My intention is to play for value, always betting. The important thing to remember is that AA pairs are not invincible, when you slowplay you will be giving your opponents the opportunity to look at the flop and maybe even hit 2 pairs on the flop, the terror of AA.
 
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Hi,

Was wondering what would be the more rewarding strategy when having AA in a microstakes cashgame (6handed) when mostly fish are at the table (VPIP >50, PFR <10) according to your oppinions?

1) Raise preflop and value bet all streets?
2) Slowplay, call fish's bluffs and re-raise on the river? (if fish fires 3 barrels, that is...)

I know it depends on the fish type as some are absolute maniacs, some are less maniacs, depends on other players in the game,..but personally, I'm not really convinced of slowplaying aces against fish..

what would you say?:captain:
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Against the 50/10 types I find they're typically more passive than aggressive.


For these reasons I like to go with the LARGE sizing preflop and LARGE sizing on all streets. I'm with you that slowplaying generally isn't the way to go against these types.

The one street I'll typically check against them is the river if all draws miss because that seems to be the one time those players will bluff :)


Against a total maniac I'm ok with slowplaying but only once the pot has already been built up. That may be large preflop raises or when they raise a flop bet.

The key stat to look at is the Aggression Factor in these cases :)
 
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Get your money in.. However, if your bet is outsized to your normal bet, even a fish like me may suspect something is up.
 
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I think both strategies are not the best, especially against fish..

Strategy number 2 in the cash game is absolutely not true,I will say it louder, this is a total failure! :(

the First option is very close to ideal in my opinion of course). Of course, each player must be considered specifically, but generally speaking, it is correct to do not just raise on the preflop, make a VERY large raise on the preflop, completely knock out the opponent on the flop and take the Bank, of course the Bank is not large (not maximum), but this tactic allows you to avoid large moves and I think it will be very good at a long distance.

Of course, it's great when the opponent pays you every line and you take a huge pot, but in the experience of cash games, when you pay every line on the river, you will be disappointed and unable to throw AA... unfortunately...
 
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I will never play slow, if they really are fish they will see my bet. My intention is to play for value, always betting. The important thing to remember is that AA pairs are not invincible, when you play slow you are giving your opponents a chance to look at the flop and maybe even hit 2 pairs on the flop, the terror of AA.
 
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I find that when playing against the fish players that you have to be extra cautious. Those guys will go all in with 2 n 7 off suit and probably win against the AA. I have had it happen to me
 
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Play aggro generally. Chuck in a few limps on a table where regs always raise the limpers. He gets 4 callers , but you shove. Be ready to put them down on well connected boards. Flat in position to light 3 betters, all in their C bet.

I'm a losing player though so ha!
 
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You need to iso raise. You want to isolate 1 or 2 players to see the flop with. Size your bet accordingly based on how loose and stubborn they are. In a big multiway flop chances of your aces being cracked in pretty high.
 
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I would slow play only if you have the nuts(and that's pushing it) because I tried to slow play a lot of hands in micro cash games and most of the time you don't get any value in the end and a lot of times they catch some ridiculous hands and you end up with your aces cracked.
Yes, aces very often cracked even by 23o (due to my experience).
 
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Raise re-raise and all in,call the traps very dangerous...
 
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I normally shove however my AAs typically get cracked painful but the truth lol.
 
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Play very aggressively, the reason (at least from my understanding and experience) aces get cracked a lot by fish like people have been saying is because they are going to call with just about anything so its more likely something randomly hits their hand on the flop. That being said, in the long run AA will be a winning against fish and if you play aggressively you will win more money against them then you'll lose in the long term
 
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3 bet, play aggressive, those guys have no idea what they're doing, mostly of them, never slow play no matter what cards u got lol.
 
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Hi,

Was wondering what would be the more rewarding strategy when having AA in a microstakes cashgame (6handed) when mostly fish are at the table (VPIP >50, PFR <10) according to your oppinions?

1) Raise preflop and value bet all streets?
2) Slowplay, call fish's bluffs and re-raise on the river? (if fish fires 3 barrels, that is...)

I know it depends on the fish type as some are absolute maniacs, some are less maniacs, depends on other players in the game,..but personally, I'm not really convinced of slowplaying aces against fish..

what would you say?:captain:

cheers
All of the 2 actions are applicable at the right hand but the bottom line is to get as many opponents out of the hand as possible, to avoid some increase their hand on the turn or river, by raising and re-raising pre-flop.
 
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look at their chip stack and average an average bet that would be just enough for them to call but not fold, and keep doing that till the river. always protect your hand.
 
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Hi,

Was wondering what would be the more rewarding strategy when having AA in a microstakes cashgame (6handed) when mostly fish are at the table (VPIP >50, PFR <10) according to your oppinions?

1) Raise preflop and value bet all streets?
2) Slowplay, call fish's bluffs and re-raise on the river? (if fish fires 3 barrels, that is...)

I know it depends on the fish type as some are absolute maniacs, some are less maniacs, depends on other players in the game,..but personally, I'm not really convinced of slowplaying aces against fish..

what would you say?:captain:

cheers
Aces is a hand that must always be bet for value. In particular cases it is possible to fold. Preflop open x3bb or from the 2.5bb button, standard. If you receive a 3bet, you make 4bet. If many players enter by calling, you should play cautiously there, but without forgetting that you have Aces.
 
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Good information I will try this strategy. Seems every goes all in with aces.
 
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