A strategy of making money in cash games shared by an acquaintance of mine.

[IPlay]

Great strat, brb becoming a millionaire.

He should do this at 10/20 and he will make like a hundred an hour.

 

[steortex]

Yea i do agree

 

[sbrown1]

This strategy seems kind of terrible. I'm sure I'd rather just join the table and play tight and take down a couple of nice pots. Much more rewarding. Now if the chance comes on the table after a few hands to steal the blinds.. then I'm all for it.

 

[Frank Burnette]

Interesting concept. I'm sure he does win a few dollars that way, but it seems hard to believe that he consistently makes money.

 

[tazer]

It may be a terrible way to look at this but it seems to me as you could do something along this hit and run strategy for a slight boost in a minimal bankroll.

Say you do this at a 1/2 table then take your $3 you win from everyone folding (assuming they do) and going to a .02/.04 table and playing with that $3. Sure occasionally you may get called, but a majority of the time people will fold just due to having zero information on you playing at the table. Then you could play big stack poker at small stakes with all profits.

 

[Schnorzel]

I did the math (replace Hand with Cycle or something in my post above) that strategy doesn´t even work with a AA,KK range. So it is consistent -EV big time. That is like playing a slotmachine and calling it a strategy.

 

[DunningKruger]

Topic title had potential and the post exceeded it. A+

I did the math (replace Hand with Cycle or something in my post above) that strategy doesn´t even work with a AA,KK range. So it is consistent -EV big time. That is like playing a slotmachine and calling it a strategy.

I thought your username was snortzel at first so obviously I read I did the math as I did the meth and even had a quick reply partway typed before deciding to double check and make sure I understand exactly wtf is going on around here. As it turns out, no, I do not.

Still... I think it's pretty safe to say that pushing a short stack with a range of KK+ isn't all that -EV it'd be more like massively +EV. The tricky part here imo would be shoving the very first hand you're dealt (like a boss) as per the strategy and having said range of KK+ when you do it. I've studied a lot of poker in my day and I'm still not good enough to be able to pull that one off yet.

Edit: I feel like this post makes it too obvious I only read the first and sometimes last post of a new thread I click on, so out of guilt I started looking at a few random posts in the middle. One is by a "deuceswild" and there's no way that's the same person right. Little brother maybe? Don't know the story there. The other one I saw was actually snortzel again and now I'm thinking he meant we're only getting calls from KK+ not that we're shoving KK+. Math was still off but logically I can see the point being made.

 

[LD1977]

Even easier - he should come play Zoom, no need to even change tables!

50 NL Zoom is the best level for this, especially when I am online 'cause I always fold to shoves

 

[Tgen]

I tried some scenarios with icmizer and this strategy is massively -ev if we open first allin any two but in some cases it might be profitable to resteal all in with any two cards , this assumes we are not in the blinds , villains open with very wide range and villains call our resteal with AA KK only

 

[S3mper]

This sort of reminded me of the Martingale betting system in roulette.

Where you double your bet every time you lose and go back down to the original bet when you win.

Doesn't work either x.x

btw saying he "plays $1/$2" is incorrect.. That is not playing.. It would be a better strategy to play 5NL and just open shove 100bb with AA-QQ and fold the rest.

 

[spazdm]

He's lying or he's super lucky cause I always get called when I do that. Does he have a bankroll? How much is his small stack that he goes on the table with exactly? I mean il try that just to see I mean nothing else works. I could use a strategy for cash games myself I play tight and usually lose too much to blinds. Well I hope it works for someone in this forum

 

[mr_kommpa]

I have though about the same thing but not done it.

If you think about it.

6 handed. AK, KK+ is about 2%. I am not playing 200NL so I dont know what they would call with but I guess I can count with something like 3%, Open shoving first hand is not something I would like to call. Now, Because you are only going to Open shove first hand there is really no reason to wait for the BB before joining because we will anyways do all-in first hand. I do think The best place to join in is on BTN because we can then take down the BB+SB+Open raise = $9

1.03^5 = 1.16 so its 16% chanse that someone got a top 3% hand. If we open shove for 80$, we take down the BB + SB + open raise 9$ of the time.

9/80 = 11% So it needs to work 89% of the time. And becuase it works 86% of the time it should not be +EV. Now we will get lucky maybe 20% when we're up against a monster but we will not allways be winning $9 either so I think its fair equation.

So I think it will be around Break Even. Maybe a fun way to gambe though.
But ofc you cant ever shove agains the same opponents more than once so its not a good ide in the long run

 

[Dlattanzio]

Good short term. on the long run not that great, imagine if he run into 2 monsters in a row? there it goes $160

 

[Aces2w1n]

Lmao, sounds like someone I know (That's the sad part about It ).
Long story short years, ago, I won 12.5k from a LB event and ended up doing exactly what your buddy did (I wasn't stealing blinds though), I'd wait to stack them and than leave, and I wasn't playing NL with my entire stack, but more so Limit holdem/Pot limit.

What became apparent was that because I was playing $5-$10, and would take 2-3stacks HU and than leave (None of the $5-$10) HU players would play with me, and they would actually in-fact sit-out the moment they seen me sit in. This forced me to have to move up in limits, eventually I was playing $50-$100 (lol), I know you wouldn't have a reason to believe me, but WVhillbilly, and lots of other players, recall the threads . My heater was not dying down anytime soon, and all the HU limit players were getting sick of me, doing the same play (Winning 8k in 20 minutes and leaving) . So all High stack HU limit Players were refusing to play vs me, at Carbon, and thus I was forced to actually play NL (Now the issue with NL is that when you're actually on a small stack in comparison to the B.R), Sitting down with the max buy-in actually becomes quite scary, the fact that If at any given time you can get stacked and this leads to you tilting that stack away, and I sure punted that entire stack minus the original 12.5k in 20 minutes.

The other issue with your friends play is the fact that most of the players at these limits will have Huds, and acouple of times after He keeps doing the same play, they will eventually narrow down his range and call him lighter than the norm, so that Is another potential threat to watch out for

Those big heater moments you feel ontop of the world... But then reality sits in, it can destroy your mindset for the whole time and hard to come back from those moments.

How did you handle the time you lost all that money??? Have you made anything back since then? 'Mail me your story and recovery i'd be eager to know all please.


Thanks.

 

[BARBOUR]

Any strategy in poker is appropriate. Sounds interesting, if villains react very tight to push this with a range of AA or KK, perhaps, QQ too, it can be really profitable strategy.

 

[S3mper]

Except it can't

 

[Mr Sandbag]

Definitely in the top 5 worst strategies I've ever heard.

 

[Karametric]

seen it done on a 10nl table I was on. Guy wasn't called. Did it two straight hands, profited 50 cents, then left. I had 48o and 27s, I knew by the second one what he was doing but I didn't have any hand whatsoever to call with.

It's not long-term profitable, even if people don't get wise that you are doing it. you get called at some point when someone wakes up with a monster and it destroys anything you had going.