6-5 Suited trips on flop

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sachleen

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I just got done playing in a tourney (Fulltilt 3.30 KO NLHE). I was the chip leader at 36000 chips. In my big blind i get 6-5s with blinds at 500/1000 125 ante. some guy in late position raises min and everyone folds to me. i call the extra 1000 to see the flop. flop 6h-6c-Jh. the guy bets the pot and i re-raise twice the pot. his next move with 34000 chips is to push all in. turns out he had KK and hits a river K:mad:. I almost destroyed my computer but then got to thinking .........should i have safely folded 6-5 pre flop to a min raiser in late position? Next; did he make the right move? Did i make the right move in calling him? even though i was playing tight all round, i still feel i was right in calling that extra 1000 for a pot of 4500:confused:. I would appreciate all input and comments on this.
 
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Your ahead by a mile post-flop correct play to call the all in, the pre-flop action is really personal choice people play suited connectors and the min raise from late position can look like a weak steal attempt so i have no problem with it to be honest, you just got lucky then got really unlucky on the river.
 
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My thoughts: He has KK in late position and based on his feel of the table he does not want to raise too much and waste KK, so he minraises...okay not a great play but fair enough.

You are in the BB with 65s, for a minraise there is no way you should fold...see the flop for the reason why you don't fold.

So you check, he bets the pot and you raise x2 pots. Now he has to think (or he should be thinking). He has to put you on a hand or range of hands. He has to figure out if you have a 6, if you have a J, if you are semi-bluffing with a flush draw, or if you may have slow played QQ given you were out of position. He has you beat in any of these situations except the 6. Other hands are possible (especially given you are bb and it was a minraise), but let's stick with the range.

Now, we don't know what is going through his mind. He may not put you on a 6, because why would you raise? Are you really afraid a pre-flop raiser is on a heart flush draw? Nah, a player that hit a 6 would smooth call the flop bet. Is he afraid you are raising with a J?

We can't truly know what was going on inside KK's head, but he incorrectly read your hand and pushed. Either he figured you were on a semi-bluff and made the push or he felt you had top pair/QQ and you would not be able to get away from the hand. Who knows?

My question...what thoughts did you have that made you check/raise the flop?
 
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My question...what thoughts did you have that made you check/raise the flop?

With a flop that vague, I pinned him down to 2 types of hands, a low pocket pair or a A4s-A9s. I figured that with an ace he might make a continuation bet and i would catch him with his pants down so as to speak. But when he pushed back, I put him on TT, 99 or KJ, QJ etc. In any case I detected some amount of desperation in that push. As you correctly pointed out, he may have min raised for action but i am guessing he did not intent to get so deep into the hand. on a side note, after I posted this question, I looked into the guy and he seems to be a regular grinder (no big wins though; just an occasional money finish) Based on this info i have to think he reads, thinks and analyzes his game on some level. On paper the move with pocket kings looks good but i guess in the heat of the battle it was one of those moves u dont expect chip leaders to make.
 
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Interesting...given the range (low pp or A4s-A9s), I would think a check-raise of x2 pot would fold out most opponents on that flop. Maybe you disagree?
 
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Intresting post and no u didint really do any thing wrong,when the money whent in you where miles ahead and in a game witch is partly based on the luck of the draw thats all u can do.
I exually play those 3.30 ko on fultilt alot and based on that u had 36k u where down to what 15-25 players? And based on that the super LAG KO double stack syndrom is slowing down right about now and people starting to get in to more of a steal my way to the final table mode, that weak min-raise could easaly be an weak steal attempt.
And even after we know where agains KK your stil geting the odds to call with the preflop odds of 4.5-1 and the fact your 22.9% to bust KKorAA

Interesting...given the range (low pp or A4s-A9s), I would think a check-raise of x2 pot would fold out most opponents on that flop. Maybe you disagree?
Thats a good quistion if he whould just flat callt the flop bet there is not a lot of hands in vilians range that whould call a turn bet from him if he whould have used a stop an go strategy here coz the call with a pair on board will slow most hands down, a check on the turn will just lead most hands to check behind him and then fold to an small river bet.
Then there is also the fact there are two to the flush on the board.
On a board like that there is not a lot of hands that will pay the sixes here.
 
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Interesting...given the range (low pp or A4s-A9s), I would think a check-raise of x2 pot would fold out most opponents on that flop. Maybe you disagree?


Good point and yes most opponents would fold unless they have me pinned down as a loose aggressive maniac who would be willing to bet on ATC given the chance. I guess one other option he had was to play back at me and play hard enough that I fold my top pair (in this case a jack on the board) unfortunately his intention may have been right, his read was off and in the end "the best two cards won":). Also I think this was a series of mis-reads on both our parts which worked out better for him. This though sparks another question, would I or anyone out there do the exact same action in a similar situation? for my part,I think so close to the money and with a good chip lead I would approach the game in a more controlled and direct manner. Specifically I would have folded my pocket pair to a pair on the board.
 
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