# 4xBB+1 per limper?

#### edge-t

##### Rock Star
Silver Level
How many of you guys raise with this "formula"? What are the merits in using this formula, than say 4xbb with any hand you're going to raise?

#### ChuckTs

##### Legend
Silver Level
When you make a bet preflop with the intention of isolating and/or protecting your hand, you have to make sure you don't give your opponent(s) good enough odds to stay in. The 4bb + 1 per limper rule is just a general rule for people who can't calculate what odds they give their opponent when they raise.

ex:

3 people limp, you're on the button with AA and raise 4bbs.

Pot is 8.5bbs now. Any limper only has to put in 3 more bbs, and he's getting ~2.8:1 which is WAY too inviting. It doesn't sound like much, but NL is a game of implied odds, and that's exactly what you're laying in this hand. This is just a pot-sweetening bet and it's a terrible play with AA. You need to raise more to isolate the hand, aswell as protect it.

ex 2:

3 people limp, you're on the button with AA and, using the 4bb+1 per limper rule, you raise to 7bbs.

Now the pot is 11.5bbs, and 6bbs to call for any limper (or BB). Now they're not even getting 2:1, and you've protected your hand and gotten full value should anyone call.

Actually looking at it, the difference in odds isn't as much as I'd thought. To put it in perspective, you'd be much less inclined to call the second bet than the first with 78s, though, wouldn't you?

#### edge-t

##### Rock Star
Silver Level
I get the idea Chuck, that's what I rationalise to myself too. I'd definitely be less incline to call a 7xbb raise with KQ or even AJ. However, With hands like AK, AQ, JJ-99, I'm less incline to splash chips around. Of course I do realise that by using 4xbb+1 for AA-QQ, and 4xbb for AK,AQ, JJ-99, players would soon catch on to your holdings.

It's a dilemma sometimes, how much to raise. I'm still experimenting with strictly 4xbb and watching the numbers of limpers who would call. like you said, quite a bit of them are willing to put in 3BB more just to see the flop, at the lowest limit. QQ got cracked by 77, still, I wonder if 77 would have called if I raised to 8BB(there were 4 limpers)...

#### ChuckTs

##### Legend
Silver Level
Gotta have balls to win big

I mean look at the recent threads about dead money. Once in a while you gotta be willing to do it with hands as low as 67s (or 23h combu ) if you sense weakness.