What do you think.... Correct fold?

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GLG-man

Rock Star
pokerstars Game #5273467671: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/06/16 - 19:28:05 (ET)
Table 'Hestia' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Shady Matt ($13.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Wiskey Jack ($3.85 in chips)
Seat 3: eevee ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 4: ddetoma66 ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 5: G.Gosseyn ($9.55 in chips)
Seat 6: GL (G-man) ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 7: Torhg ($10 in chips)
Seat 8: Arnhazzi ($3.80 in chips)
eevee: posts small blind $0.05
ddetoma66: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GL (G-man) [Qc Qh]
Buddy D joins the table at seat #9
G.Gosseyn: calls $0.10
GL (G-man): raises $0.30 to $0.40
Torhg: folds
Arnhazzi: raises $0.30 to $0.70
Shady Matt: raises $13.15 to $13.85 and is all-in
Wiskey Jack: calls $3.85 and is all-in
eevee: folds
ddetoma66: folds
G.Gosseyn: folds
GL (G-man): folds
Arnhazzi: calls $3.10 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6h 9h Td]
*** TURN *** [6h 9h Td] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [6h 9h Td 7s] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Shady Matt: shows [Ac Kh] (a pair of Nines)
Wiskey Jack: shows [Ah Th] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Wiskey Jack collected $0.10 from side pot
Arnhazzi: shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
Arnhazzi collected $11.45 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.15 Main pot $11.45. Side pot $0.10. | Rake $0.60
Board [6h 9h Td 7s 9s]
Seat 1: Shady Matt showed [Ac Kh] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: Wiskey Jack (button) showed [Ah Th] and won ($0.10) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 3: eevee (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ddetoma66 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: G.Gosseyn folded before Flop
Seat 6: GL (G-man) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Torhg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Arnhazzi showed [Jc Js] and won ($11.45) with two pair, Jacks and Nines

I'm a bit gutted because I would have won a very big pot but I thought it was correct to fold in this situation....

What would you have done?


G-man
 
wsorbust

wsorbust

Cardschat Elite
Kind of hard to tell without knowing what style he's playing...if he does that often...
 
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GLG-man

Rock Star
Well I had been playing on the table for about 30 mins and nothing drastic had happened like that....

I figured someone had at least kings but I suppose it just goes to show what people will all in with in the lower limits....
 
wsorbust

wsorbust

Cardschat Elite
Eh. I see it as a toss-up if you were only there for a short time....some people push all in with 2's lol ... It was a lot of money. It's probably a good sign that you didn't go for it... ;)
 
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2fresh

Guest
good fold? really didnt understand this right i. If you folded it would have been to know what you had at your hand, if not you had AK and called? Got confused. But anyway it is best to know a few hands before i would called anything like that no matter what. gl and cheers
 
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Dingodaddy23

Guest
bad fold, only because of the .05/.10c level you are playing at, QQ is likely to be a favorite to their ranges
 
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keyztojeep

Guest
I think it was played bad. You can't play Q's with a minimum raise and expect to come out winning most of the time. Most of the time you aren't going to get many card to fold.

This was a bad laydown because of the dollar amount. There wasn't much money at stake, and because the stakes were low you have alot of loose play usually. I would have called with that hand on that pot.

But you played wrong from the beginning.
 
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GLG-man

Rock Star
I did'nt make a minimum raise, it was a standard raise in which I was raised and re-raised all in and then there was another all in caller.

Even if I did have the best hand, which I did'nt know at the time.....

my chance to win was 45.57%
my chance to tie was 0.44%
my chance to lose was 53.99%

These %'s are using the cards I was up against but even at low limits one of them could easily have had KK or AA in which case if someone had KK instead of JJ......

my chance to win was 18.51%
my chance to tie was 0.51%
my chance to lose was 80.98%

These figures prove that there was a bigger chance of me losing the pot than winning it even though I had the best cards.

That's why I think it was a correct fold, maybe I am wrong.


G-man
 
blankoblanco

blankoblanco

plays poker on hard mode
I'd have folded it too. I think you're right on with most of your reasons. If you'd been playing there that long and the player hadn't made that aggressive of a bet yet, I would have put the $13 raiser on AA, KK or possibly AK. Even if they held AK (which of course they ended up having), the odds in your favor aren't so good.
 
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Styrofoam

Visionary
You're either a big dog or a slight favorite here. Fold and get your money in when you're a big favorite.
 
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