What to do?

[xdmanx007]

Now here is a GOOD one! I got totally blind sided out of the BB. Would like viewpoints on what if anything I did wrong.
***** Hand History for Game 2602897324 *****
$25 PL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 26, 20:20:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 37332 (real money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Boomdaddy21 ( $23.25 )
Seat 2: morningw00dy ( $52.60 )
Seat 3: MBrandybuck ( $10.30 )
Seat 5: Bersta ( $21.66 )
Seat 7: Bullishgains ( $23.55 )
Seat 8: Peggy154 ( $0 )
Seat 9: struds ( $17 )
Seat 10: svp11 ( $22.55 )
Seat 4: xdmanx007 ( $28.20 )
Seat 6: Shannon4697 ( $4.50 )
MBrandybuck posts small blind [$0.10].
xdmanx007 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xdmanx007 [ Th Kc ]
Bersta folds.
Shannon4697 folds.
Bullishgains folds.
struds folds.
svp11 calls [$0.25].
Boomdaddy21 folds.
morningw00dy calls [$0.25].
MBrandybuck folds.
xdmanx007 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Ks, Tc ]
xdmanx007 bets [$0.85].
svp11 calls [$0.85].
Peggy154 has left the table.
morningw00dy calls [$0.85].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
xdmanx007 bets [$3.25].
svp11 calls [$3.25].
morningw00dy folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
xdmanx007 bets [$5].
svp11 raises [$10].
xdmanx007 calls [$5].
svp11 shows [ Td, Ts ] three of a kind, tens.
xdmanx007 doesn't show [ Th, Kc ] two pairs, kings and tens.
svp11 wins $28.45 from the main pot with three of a kind, tens.

 

[joshyb20]

Not much you could have done there. I think you played it right, getting the one guy out in case he was sitting on a flush. You just caught a bad break in the cards, and got slowplayed. The only advice I have is to just tip your hat to him and remember how he played a big hand before the next time.

 

[diabloblanco]

You played it just fine IMO. A bigger raise on the flop wouldn't have run him off of middle set with no flush or straight danger. Your pre flop bet said no pocket Kings, so he was safe there. He just slow-played the shit out of that hand on every street. And you bet out top two properly. Like Josh said, remember how he slow played it and it is very likely he will get busted giving cards away like that. Damn, dude...you just ran into the shit end of the luck on that hand.

 

[xdmanx007]

PL I bet the max on the flop but it was too late then

 

[diabloblanco]

I didn't notice it being PL. You usually play NL50 don't you?

 

[xdmanx007]

I didn't notice it being PL. You usually play NL50 don't you?

Depends but lately been playing 1/2 2/4 Limit and throwing in an occassional NL or PL game.

 

[joshyb20]

Hey don't feel bad about yours, I just lost my ace high flush to pocket aces. Of course, there were two more aces on the board. I'm not afraid to say, i just got outplayed. Luckily, I have regained that which I had lost and then a little bit more.

 

[xdmanx007]

Please! The point isn't to just vent about bad beats because technically they aren't I was behind in the hand from the start. I need to find a way to adjust my game to get back to my winning ways!

 

[StackThemUp]

K T off can cause serious problems especially in the BB,i had a similar thing happen to me not long ago..the thing is K 10 is hard to get away from especially when you flop top 2 pair. I would of maybe checked the flop and more than likely checked the turn to see what strength my opponent shows then that way your at least going to limit your losses. It seems your in a downswing so i would recommend maybe taking a few days off,a negative mindset is the worst thing in poker,you may not feel negative but i think your almost expecting to get beat...take a rest it will do wonders!
John

 

[diabloblanco]

I understood the purpose of this and most of the other "hand analysis" threads you've started over the past month or so was mainly to try and plug leaks or get opinions on how to better play certain hands in certain situations. However, most of the time when I read these threads of yours nothing really jumps off thw screen as a really bad play. I mean, there were a few hands I would have played totally different as I recall, but just because I would play them different doesn't mean you played them wrong. The main problem I think you might want to work on or adjust about your game IMO is that you hang on to a hand in the face of re-raises and even re-re-raises a lot, without giving your opponent credit for a hand that has you beat. Just not letting them go and move on. Not because I think you don't know when you're up against a big hand, but maybe you're paying them off to see if your nice hand really isn't going to stand up against what they've been jamming the pot with. A majority of you're hand histories, while very strange indeed seeing as they have consistantly happened to you for the past month or so, are you're decent hands running into other decent hands, most of the time really close to your hand strength.

 

[xdmanx007]

Ok I totally buy the fold to preflop raises and not releasing certain hands. The later being a learned response to playing ring games on the net. The hand in this particular thread REALLY troubles me. A hand I never play was dealt to me in the BB. Flop comes out K10 whatever at that point how can I possibly put the guy on pocket kings? 1 in my hand and and one on the board. So the best I can reasonably put the guy on is a set of 2 right?

 

[diabloblanco]

He is just as likely to hold the other 2 Kings as he is any other two cards in the deck really. Also from my experience and lots of poker literature, cold calling decent bets pre-flop then flop in concert with major action on the turn or river usually is a sign of strength. When you were in the hand (not hindsight) what were you putting him on after each betting round?

 

[xdmanx007]

Ace King or flush draw the 5 dollar river was a VALUE bet lol:banghead:

He is just as likely to hold the other 2 Kings as he is any other two cards in the deck really. Also from my experience and lots of poker literature, cold calling decent bets pre-flop then flop in concert with major action on the turn or river usually is a sign of strength. When you were in the hand (not hindsight) what were you putting him on after each betting round?

This is of course something I seem to have forgotten. Guess adding a bit more feel back to my game wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[xdmanx007]

Ace King or flush draw the 5 dollar river was a VALUE bet lol:banghead:


This is of course something I seem to have forgotten. Guess adding a bit more feel back to my game wouldn't be a bad idea.

The more I think about it hands like these are where you throw the math out the window. I admitedly have been playing limit quite analytically lately. I think I need to evaluate reraises better, put the brakes on and say am I beat? Generally when I do that I make the correct decisions and I haven't been doing that recently. Although there will be situations where the pot has gotten so large that I have to call when I think I am beat.

 

[diabloblanco]

Every single bet saved is the same as a bet won. Think of it like this; there is never a right time to call when you know you're beat. All you're doing is paying someone to make sure you weren't outplayed out of sheer morbid curiousity. Now, if you're getting the right odds to call even if you are certain you will lose 4/5 or 5/6 times you call, you should still make the call. But paying to see cards to make sure they have you beat when you feel beaten is costing you money.

BTW, where did the value bet comment come from. Did someone delete a post when you made fun of them for that?

 

[xdmanx007]

Umm I remember the post about the value bet. I believe the point I was making was I wanted a call with the 5 dollar river bet. I said that because I thought I had a hammer lock on the hand! Obviosly I was wrong

 

[jeterkid925]

You played it right, the odss of him having trips where very slim with you holding a 10, I dont think it even crossed your mind of him having trip 10s

 

[Four Dogs]

The odds of trips are always low. But not rare. You’re right to consider this a leak XD. How will you handle similar hands in the future? What will you do to avoid getting hammered every time by the slow played set? It's a good thing this was a limit table because it seems to me that you never deliberated on the possibility of losing the hand. You never had the nuts, you were out of position, and you ignored calls from bets that should have driven any good player off a draw. Your bets after the flop and river should have given you enough information to check the river.
Put yourself in his place. Assuming you put him on top pair, would you cold call cowboys in 2 consecutive rounds of betting? How would you play your set with an out of position opponent feeding the pot for you? I know you’re not a “Bad Beat” poster so I’ll assume you’re not offended by constructive criticism. There are far better poker minds here than me here and I wouldn’t mind at all hearing from any of them on this matter.

 

[t1riel]

You played it right. I did even think of that fact he might have trip 10's. Sometimes there is nothing you could do. It's hard to throw away two pair.

 

[diabloblanco]

You already heard from me 4dogs. Are you back now?

 

[Four Dogs]

You played it right. I did even think of that fact he might have trip 10's. Sometimes there is nothing you could do. It's hard to throw away two pair.

So you think that this is one of those times? I'm not sure I agree. This is akin to saying that "I am going to get beat everytime by the set because 2 pair is just too good a hand ever to let go." Cold calling 2 consecutive large bets is not usually indicative of a bluff, but it is indicative of something else. What would you have to see to make you lay down your pairs? A re-raise? Why when XD was doing all the heavy lifting. This was so textbook that IMO XD should have at the very least, smelled a rat.

 

[xdmanx007]

The only thing my stuffed up nose smelled was a draw or top pair. A set of dueces was a possibily but never considered kings or tens. The main point is these are UNIQUE hands that eventually we all will run into. I just have been running into them quite frequently. I think one of the core questions I normally ask myself would have saved me here and that question, "Is this pot even worth contesting?" in this case the answer would have been NO and would have saved me a sore a$$.

 

[Four Dogs]

I hope you realize that no malicious criticism was intended on my part. But 10's K's or 2's, you must have put him on something as good or better than what you had. If so why the last bet? You must have known that you didn't have a lock.:albertein

You already heard from me 4dogs. Are you back now?

I said better poker minds!:beer:
As for being back, I never left. It's just a little tough for me lately to be as active. I've deffinately got to be more selective as to what posts to reply to. I scan for the regulars or anything that looks controversial. I'm actually on a job site right now using a pirated wireless connection.

 

[xdmanx007]

Malicious criticism from 4dogs! :icon_pukeAll statements from 4dogs will be treated as though they are steaming and from the his clean end

 

[xdmanx007]

or in other words the end he is constantly licking:hmmmm: :beer: