Top set on coordinated flop

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bodog so no proper HH (Hand #1060347601)

NL .10/.25
Effective stack size ~ $24 (villain's stack)

Very loose/passive table with a lot of limping but most raises pre-flop being called.

We're UTG with 9c 9d (I elect to limp)
MP2 calls
SB completes
BB checks
4 to the flop Pot=$1

Flop
8d 7c 9s
SB bets .25
BB folds
We ????
 
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Jack Daniels

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I think the limp is okay here. The flop could be worse, but with such a loose limpy table, there are likely some draws out there...especially JT is not out of the question here. I'd raise it up and make it $1.25 to go as a starting point then re-evaluate based on the action of M2. Even if we're behind to a straight, we have a lot of redraws to our boat.
 
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well that's what happens when u limp in a loose table, you probably have the best hand at this point, but a JT or 56 is possible, beat the pot and see what happens,
 
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Since I don't think they'll be much debate on what to do here (after the flop), I'll go ahead and post my next action.

We raise to $1.50 (a little more than pot)
MP2 folds
SB calls 1.25
Pot= $4

Turn
Kc

SB checks
We ????
 
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I think we have to lead out here for 3/4 of the pot ($3). The only hands we're really worried about are KK and JT. KK probably raises PF, especially on a limpy table. If anything, we might be looking at a pocket pair (maybe he set sevens or eights and is stacking here). AK could be too, but again I would expect it to raise PF. On the outside chance he has two clubs, leading out cuts his odds significantly because some of his outs are your redraws as well. He just be on a straight draw depending on how loose the table truly is.

Ultimately I think we're leading here most of the time, but giving a free turn card is, imo, a mistake. So I'd bet and either push if he raises or call a push here.
 
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I think I lead at this turn too - there's not much chance the king helped your opponent enough to put him ahead. I'd read villain as a straight draw looking to see a cheap river - if that's the case, we've got the better hand and the better draw. Like JD said, a bet around $3 sounds about right.
 
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we hope to god the board pairs on the river because i'm thinking J10 all the way.
 
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What make you think he's holding J10?
 
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I think you generally have to lead out big on that flop. You don't want anyone filling cheap, so the check is bad, avoid going broke though. Leading out will represent the JT.
You have a lot of outs even if villain has JT or 56. If someone is sitting oesd, your outs about equal their outs. But if you bet out post flop, they will usually concede, unless they are total donks, in which case you are toast anyway.
 
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I don't see why people are immediately jumping to conclusions here. All we have is a limped pot and a minbet into us - yes JT, 56 or 6T are all possible, but right now we need to protect vs the draws and get value from our hand. There are plenty of other hands in his range.

I pop to $1.25 and take it from there.

edit: didn't see turn action. We bet ~$3
 
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honestly it was the first hand that popped into my head after the call post flop. possible trap for a reraise on the river. not sure really, just a gut feeling. although my gut hasn't gotten me very far.
 
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We bet $3
SB calls $3
Pot = $10

River
Ad

SB checks
We ????

I'll leave this till tomorrow before I reveal my action.
 
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It's a limped pot and villain's min bet on flop looks extremely weak. A raise is absolutely the right move. What type of player is this particular villain? Does he slow play? Is he just a weak passive type?

On the turn protect your hand and fire again, any where between 1/2 to full pot, again, depending on the player. Now on the river I would make a value bet and it depends on what you think he'll pay off.
 
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Pot bot it.If you lose this, so be it, but if you don't make a stand here, where the hell do you make a stand.

Let's also assume villain was sitting A8 or A7 or even A9, or had set 8's or 7's.
All those hands and the oesd almost justify his calling your raises. The only 2 hands you worry about here are AA, KK. Since you didn't get a reraise, it is reasonable to eliminate the KK.

So many hands you beat here, so few you are behind.

In the case where he reraises your big bet here, then you have a problem. I would tend to think 2 pair here could reraise, and certainly any of the other 4 sets if they exist, I think it would be time for some stackin:eek:. Either you or them.
 
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Man I hate this check, check crap he's doing. It sort of feels like a trap. But if your read of the table is very loose/passive I put him on K10, and so 1/3 to 1/2 pot-size this mo fo.
 
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Agree, value bet the river and call any funny business. If villain's slow-played a flopped straight this far then best of luck to them but otherwise, it's almost impossible that the ace helped him enough to put you ahead.
 
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What type of player is this particular villain? Does he slow play? Is he just a weak passive type?

Thanks for reminding me, meant to include this in first post. Since PT no longer works with Bodog's new interface, or more specifically the handgrabber doesn't, I have no firm numbers, but he's been at the table for a while and has been OK. He was up a little (~$10) but about 10 hands before this one he lost a $20 pot when he his AQ ran into A5 on a Q55 flop. He did raise with his AK on that hand.
 
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[x] Read is very helpful, good chance he's still tilting
[x] Pot bet, call a shove.
 
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We bet $5 (maybe a little underbet based on everyone's opinions)
SB pushes $19.60 into the pot
It's $14.60 to call

Snap call, fist-pump???
 
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Villan has check-called your raises down to the river, and now pushes. I smell the bottom end of a made straight. Tough to call.

......... processing ................ (grey matter starting to get warm) ............

Having said that... most folks don't post a losing hand like this, so I'm going to put the Villan on 2 pair (A8, A9) and you win.
 
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Anyone else before I reveal the mystery?
 
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I did call he showed 10s Js and I was back down to my original buy-in amount.

I wanted to post this hand here because after he showed the flopped straight I was kicking myself for the river bet and giving him the chance to check-raise all-in. Didn't know if anyone would have played this as a WA/WB situation and just checked behind.

He ended up losing most of it to someone else a few hands later and that guy got most of it back to me in the end.

Thanks for all the replies.

BTW Chiefer77 I wish I had your spidey senses and arahel_jazz what do you mean by ppl not posting losing hands this way?
 
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