Question about this straight draw

TheNoob

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(Something went funny with the converter I think because the BB timed out?? So just posted the text)

Even though the BTN is seat four, that one player timed out so I just check from the BB.

Is my call correct with the straight draw? With the board paired, does that add value to a straight draw? (that is, if he flopped trips, I could expect some action if I hit a 6 or a J on the turn?

No 6 or J on the turn, and I'm thinking I fold to any bet, which I did.

Thoughts?



full tilt poker Game #6852316028: Table Hayden (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:55:07 ET - 2008/06/16
Seat 1: TheNoob ($38.65)
Seat 2: WebStrategy ($44.50), is sitting out
Seat 3: protois ($25.95)
Seat 4: wafello ($30.55)
Seat 5: GYPSYgirl24 ($15)
Seat 6: prosimon ($25.90)
GYPSYgirl24 posts the small blind of $0.10
prosimon has 5 seconds left to act
prosimon stands up
prosimon has timed out
TheNoob posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheNoob [7s 8h]
protois folds
wafello folds
GYPSYgirl24 calls $0.15
TheNoob checks
*** FLOP *** [9s Tc Ts]
GYPSYgirl24 bets $0.50
TheNoob calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [9s Tc Ts] [Kh]
- Tilted Rag3 - adds $25
GYPSYgirl24 bets $1.50
TheNoob has 15 seconds left to act
TheNoob folds
Uncalled bet of $1.50 returned to GYPSYgirl24
GYPSYgirl24 mucks
GYPSYgirl24 wins the pot ($1.45)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.50 | Rake $0.05
Board: [9s Tc Ts Kh]
Seat 1: TheNoob (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: WebStrategy is sitting out
Seat 3: protois didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: wafello (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: GYPSYgirl24 (small blind) collected ($1.45), mucked
Seat 6: prosimon is sitting out
 
Dwilius

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It adds danger, if they don't have trips they won't pay off, and if they do they can beat you. You could get more action than you want. Doesn't mean you can't play a small pot, but in this situation you're drawing to bottom end, more trouble.
 
S93

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Well im new to 25NL and also preatty new to ring but heres my analysis any way.
I dont like chasing straight or flush draw on paird board because
If u hit your straight you will get action from trips and fullhouses but other hands like 2par and TPTK will (most likely)fold due to the paird board,so my understanding is that the paird board losses u more value then u can gain(please corect me if im wrong).
Also your open ended straight draw is very weak in this case cause if a J hits you have litle knowledge on where you stand and makes the straight you have very obvs. and there for your really just looking for a 6.
The pot odds dont justify the call but more importantly in imo the impield odds arent good enough for the flop call either(sure u could just call and try to take it away on the turn but u said that whasnt your plain) cause if a J hits he is mostlikely folding exept if he haves a FH.

Just my thought hopefully the cash regs will come around and thrash my anlysis:)
 
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I think you gotta fold this. Everything is wrong with this draw:

1) The board is paired, which means you may have disasterous non-outs that you think are outs. JT, T6, and 66 are all possible holdings. Also, even if you hit a live out, you are almost always up against redraws. And of course, you might even be drawing dead already.

2) There are two spades. If you're up against a flush draw that kills two of your outs.

3) It's the ass end of the draw. It's possible you're up against Q8 or KQ, which have 4 of your outs dead.

4) The villain is on a short stack, so your best case win isn't for a lot of money.

Usually, people play draws because they'll win a lot of money when they hit the draw. I honestly think you might lose more money than you win in the long run when you hit this draw. You'd be calling for a chance at losing more money.

I think the ONLY reason to call with this draw is if you want to bluff the turn to represent a ten if you miss. Still wouldn't recommend it but once in a very long while.
 
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