PLO8 flopped str8

Alon Ipser

Alon Ipser

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Very first hand, I limp in and flop the straight. Absolutely no reads on anyone.

PokerStars Game #5682294052: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/07/25 - 21:38:09 (ET)
Table 'Electra II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: MONTY ($36.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Gator97 ($116.40 in chips)
Seat 3: ITried5Names ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Voidoid ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 5: thittyboy ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Alon Ipser ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: maverick1212 ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 8: modoc ($75.40 in chips)
modoc: posts small blind $0.25
MONTY: posts big blind $0.50
Alon Ipser: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Alon Ipser [5h 8d 6h Qc]
Gator97: calls $0.50
ITried5Names: calls $0.50
Voidoid: calls $0.50
thittyboy: folds
Alon Ipser: checks
maverick1212: calls $0.50
modoc: calls $0.25
MONTY: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 4c 5c]
modoc: checks
MONTY: checks
Gator97: checks
ITried5Names: bets $3.35
thittyboy said, "333333333333333333333333333333333333333333"
Voidoid: calls $3.35
Alon Ipser: calls $3.35
maverick1212: raises $6.20 to $9.55 and is all-in
modoc: folds
MONTY: folds
MONTY leaves the table
Gator97: folds
ITried5Names: raises $29.15 to $38.70
Voidoid: folds
modoc leaves the table

Alon Ipser:??????????
 

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ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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With OH8, your odds are split in half, so your equity is small.
Someone is probably raising with A2c, or maybe the made straight with redraws. Either way run the hell outta there! Too much crap to dodge with this hand.
Fold says me.
 
ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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lol I'm bad too - my advice may be teinted :p...hmm maybe someone with decent OH8 experience can answer this :)
 
JAMILE1

JAMILE1

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I think I would make this call, I put one of them on the flush draw maybe both?, and if both on flush draws that leaves them 6 outs to that draw as you hold 1 of their outs, and you have a made hand, pretty sure 1 has the low maybe low str8t A36x, 1 on the hi flush draw, but than again donkey man here :p does some crazy shit sometimes:D
 
t1riel

t1riel

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I would call. I think he is chasing the flush. You got the nut straight and possibly in good position to scoop. Call his all in.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

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Worst case scenario - bigstack has A268cc and you're being freerolled and 1/4'd in any case.

Best case (realistic) scenario - both villains are overplaying A2xx. Even if this is the case you're still only taking half the pot.

We're most probably somewhere in between here. If bigstack has A2xxcc our equity in the total pot is about 33% (we're playing for 50% of the pot, odds of flush hitting are ~34%). You're being asked to call $20 into a $45 pot (44%, roughly, really too lazy to work it out exactly, but part of bigstack villain's last raise is going to be uncalled so it doesn't count towards the pot). You have to rule out the cases where bigstack villain doesn't have as good a hand of course, but I think I find a fold here with no reads. If the bigstack is overplaying a naked A2 or flush draw, there will be better opportunities to bust him later (you will be able to see what he has too even if you fold considering that someone else is allin).

Again, I don't play PLO8 because of hands like this. It's a very marginal decision.
 
blankoblanco

blankoblanco

plays poker on hard mode
I would have to fold that. It might be different if you had outs to re-draw to a better hand on the turn and river, but the only possible thing for you would be a runner runner full house or runner runner quads.

I know it's hard to fold the nuts, but Omaha is largely a drawing game, and when you're only playing for half the pot, it's hard to put that much money in and just hope to dodge the numerous outs your opponents may have for the high. If a 6 hits, your straight is likely beat. Also if an 8 hits, someone may have made a 9 high straight. If a 7 or 4 hits, you're looking at full house possibilities. If any club hits you're, without a doubt, flushed.

Against two opponents, I can't make this call.
 
Alon Ipser

Alon Ipser

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Alon Ipser: calls $21.15 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7s 4c 5c] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [7s 4c 5c Jh] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ITried5Names: shows [6c 7h Qs Ah] (HI: a pair of Sevens; LO: 7,6,5,4,A)
Alon Ipser: shows [5h 8d 6h Qc] (HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 8,7,6,5,4)
Alon Ipser collected $14.35 from side pot
ITried5Names collected $14.30 from side pot
maverick1212: shows [Kc Tc 9d 2s] (HI: a pair of Kings)
Alon Ipser collected $16.90 from main pot
ITried5Names collected $16.85 from main pot
maverick1212 leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $65.40 Main pot $33.75. Side pot $28.65. | Rake $3
Board [7s 4c 5c Jh Kd]
Seat 1: MONTY (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Gator97 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ITried5Names showed [6c 7h Qs Ah] and won ($31.15) with HI: a pair of Sevens; LO: 7,6,5,4,A
Seat 4: Voidoid folded on the Flop
Seat 5: thittyboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Alon Ipser showed [5h 8d 6h Qc] and won ($31.25) with HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 8,7,6,5,4
Seat 7: maverick1212 (button) showed [Kc Tc 9d 2s] and lost with HI: a pair of Kings
Seat 8: modoc (small blind) folded on the Flop

I assumed both were betting low with flush draws but as you can see they weren't that good. I walked away with a $6.25 profit for risking $25 that in hind sight I don't think was worth the risk.
 
blankoblanco

blankoblanco

plays poker on hard mode
The river and turn ended up being perfect for you, as good as you could have possibly hoped for, but I agree with your assessment that it was not worth the risk.
 
ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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ChuckTs said:
With OH8, your odds are split in half, so your equity is small.
Someone is probably raising with A2c, or maybe the made straight with redraws. Either way run the hell outta there! Too much crap to dodge with this hand.
Fold says me.


:confused:

Don't know how that came out that way :/ but that's not what I meant lol
What I meant was:

You're only playing for half the pot here, so your equity on the full pot is much less than you'd think. I suspect that there's a flush draw out there, maybe trips, A2 for a low and probably combinations of the three.
This is a proceed-with-caution scenario for sure, and with this much raising and calling, I'd have to toss it.

I'm very surprised at the results...all in with top pair!!??
 
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