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I know that this is only play money, and I should not have been in the hand to begin with, but say I am in proper posistion, would this be the right time to bluff in a real money cash game


pokerstars Game #15978851557: Hold'em No Limit (100/200) - 2008/03/14 - 18:23:30 (ET)
Table 'Cursa V' 9-max (Play Money) Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: copolini (20900 in chips)
Seat 2: monstter (45800 in chips)
Seat 3: Spade15 (177710 in chips)
Seat 4: ccdono (41800 in chips)
Seat 5: Co-raje (48400 in chips)
Seat 6: Inscore77 (39200 in chips)
Seat 8: lalo83 (19500 in chips)
Seat 9: jcrazur (25100 in chips)
copolini: posts small blind 100
monstter: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Inscore77 [Th Kh]
Spade15: calls 200
ccdono: calls 200
Co-raje: folds
Inscore77: raises 400 to 600
lalo83: calls 600
jcrazur: folds
copolini: calls 500
monstter: raises 4000 to 4600
Spade15: folds
ccdono: folds
Inscore77: calls 4000
lalo83: folds
copolini: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s As 3d]
monstter: bets 200
Inscore77: raises 1800 to 2000
monstter: calls 1800
*** TURN *** [7s As 3d] [6s]
monstter: bets 200
Inscore77: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [7s As 3d 6s] [5d]
monstter: bets 1000
Inscore77: raises 8000 to 9000
monstter: folds
Inscore77 collected 17200 from pot
Inscore77: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17200 | Rake 0
Board [7s As 3d 6s 5d]
Seat 1: copolini (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: monstter (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: Spade15 folded before Flop
Seat 4: ccdono folded before Flop
Seat 5: Co-raje folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Inscore77 collected (17200)
Seat 8: lalo83 folded before Flop
Seat 9: jcrazur (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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From the preflop raise to the river, it's pretty horrible I'm afraid.

It screams of "I've decided to bluff here." not "I've got sufficient information on my opponent from the way he's played the hand to indicate that a bluff may be +EV".

You'll bleed chips if you play like this.
 
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This can't be translated to a cash game, but I'll try.

With two limpers, raising to 3 BB is incredibly weak. It's suicidal with K/10. IE, everyone will call and some of them are bound to outflop you.
There are two more callers... ugh.
monstter re-raises to 23BB. Normally that's a huge/stupid overbet, but with so many people in the pot it'd actually be an acceptable play with hands like Q/Q or better. (I'd limp with J/J hoping for a set, but Q/Q is OK as someone with a better pair would have made a decent bet)

You call with K/T. That's suicide against a guy who made a bet like that.

Post flop monstter makes a minimum bet into a 50+BB pot. HUH? Mega-weak!

You re-raise another 9 BB. So he thew a grain of sand and you fought back with a feather. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak. I want to see a bet of 2/3 the pot here.

On the turn he minimum raises again, and you call. 1 BB into a 60+BB pot (or 70+ BB? I'm not going to bother adding it up)? Do I need to say anything here? Lets say the pot was $60 at this point. A $2 bet is stupid, as nobody will fold to that (no fold equity) and people will call a bigger bet with anything (so you don't maximize your potential winnings if you think you have an advantage at this point).

By the river he's betting 5 BB at a 70+ BB pot. This screams weakness.
You counter by raising to 45 BB. Still weak, but he was incredibly weak so it's a substantially better play (bordering on OK).

You win a an 86 BB pot.

So yes. He told you all along that he had nothing by betting like a scared little kitten so you were right to bluff at the pot. You're bluffs were really weak though, pretty much giving him the same message back and the odds to call with any lousy pair (up until the river).
 
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I know it was a horrible play, its me screwing around on the play money tables trying to reach 10 mil. What I am trying to ask is, would it be a good idea to bluff at the straight on the river in a real cash game
 
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What are your possible holdings based on your bets? Do you raise with 2 EP limpers holding 89 or anything that includes a 4? If you do, you won't for long. This was a bad hand to bluff from the start and your bets (sizing and sequence) left me confused. Usually when the bets don't make sense it's because someone is lying about their hand and I'm more likely to look you up light. Think about the hand you're representing when you decide to gamble like this and bet the hand the way you really would if you had that hand. What did you think you were representing here?
 
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I know that this is only play money, and I should not have been in the hand to begin with, but say I am in proper posistion, would this be the right time to bluff in a real money cash game


PokerStars Game #15978851557: Hold'em No Limit (100/200) - 2008/03/14 - 18:23:30 (ET)
Table 'Cursa V' 9-max (Play Money) Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: copolini (20900 in chips)
Seat 2: monstter (45800 in chips)
Seat 3: Spade15 (177710 in chips)
Seat 4: ccdono (41800 in chips)
Seat 5: Co-raje (48400 in chips)
Seat 6: Inscore77 (39200 in chips)
Seat 8: lalo83 (19500 in chips)
Seat 9: jcrazur (25100 in chips)
copolini: posts small blind 100
monstter: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Inscore77 [Th Kh]
Spade15: calls 200
ccdono: calls 200
Co-raje: folds
Inscore77: raises 400 to 600
lalo83: calls 600
jcrazur: folds
copolini: calls 500
monstter: raises 4000 to 4600
Spade15: folds
ccdono: folds
Inscore77: calls 4000(good call)
lalo83: folds
copolini: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s As 3d]
monstter: bets 200
Inscore77: raises 1800 to 2000(nice bet)
monstter: calls 1800
*** TURN *** [7s As 3d] 6♠
monstter: bets 200
Inscore77: calls 200(WHAT THE @#$@$ IS THIS!!!!, Very very weak even for a play money table if you are trying to play a bluff)
*** RIVER *** [7s As 3d 6s] 5♦
monstter: bets 1000
Inscore77: raises 8000 to 9000
monstter: folds
Inscore77 collected 17200 from pot
Inscore77: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17200 | Rake 0
Board [7s As 3d 6s 5d]
Seat 1: copolini (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: monstter (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: Spade15 folded before Flop
Seat 4: ccdono folded before Flop
Seat 5: Co-raje folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Inscore77 collected (17200)
Seat 8: lalo83 folded before Flop
Seat 9: jcrazur (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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What I am trying to ask is, would it be a good idea to bluff at the straight on the river in a real cash game

In this situation, yes it was the right situation to bet the river. His incredibly weak betting says that he has nothing. Maybe he had something lame... like K/T. ;)

Of course, a decent bluff earlier would have probably worked as well.
 
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I know that this is only play money, and I should not have been in the hand to begin with, but










You want to be succesfull at poker you need to get away from the above mindset/attitude.
Focus on position & opponents not on buy in. Playing weak hands out of position is going to cost you in the long run no matter what.
Good luck.
 
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I know it was a horrible play, its me screwing around on the play money tables trying to reach 10 mil. What I am trying to ask is, would it be a good idea to bluff at the straight on the river in a real cash game

Q. what are you calling a huge preflop reraise with and raising that flop with that has a 4 in it? see why any opponent with half a brain really won't buy your bluff?

Q. why are you trying to bluff at play money? it's about as smart an idea as covering yourself in steaks and jumping into the lion enclosure at the zoo.

i also think shine gave wrong advice on every street, heh. pf call is horrible, flop raise is too small - either rep the ace or don't, don't throw silly quarter pot bets out there. getting like 49386758 to 1 you may as well call the turn and hope you have a few outs.
 
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