Low pair in paired board - Reraised preflop

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Ok. What would you do here and why?
No special reads on the player. I sat
at the table 2 orbits before this hand.

poker stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $10.25
BB: $39.25
UTG: $14.60
MP: $36.30
Hero (CO): $25.50
BTN: $24.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt 4
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4
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(6 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, 2 folds, BB raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.60) 2
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K
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2
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(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.00, BB raises to $15.25, Hero . . . .
 
heatfan03

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hero... Folds
i like the call preflop but guy prolly has anything from AK to 10K
 
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Fold....lots of hands beat you... Kx and 2x and any PP higher than yours.

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robwhufc

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Fold it, you had a fair crack at the pot, but you're behind every conceivable made hand. Change the King to an 8 and it may be a different story, but a King fits in with a lot of hands that would raise pre-flop.

If he's bluffed you, fair play to him. I'd stand up and find another table to play on if he did.
 
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fold he could have KK AK KQ ect... take your loss run then come back and kick some butt...
 
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lol, easiest fold ever. Obv villain w 72 suited.
 
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Really guys? It was only me that thought of this hand differently??? LOL. So, first of all, I put him all in figuring that this is the best play in this case. Let me explain my thought process. I play lately a lot at these levels ( 0.1/.25 & .25/.5). I raised from the CO. My range of hands could be really big. Take into account that the opponents at these levels are not so smart. So, his reraise from the blinds let me put him somewhere between 88+, AJ+. After the flop, wouldn't he c-bet with anything except in two cases?? 1st case : he was totally sure about his hand, that is KK only and 2nd case : he was afraid of something, that is AJ,AQ. ( Of course taking into account that the range we specified is true). So his check let me throw a bet in there to see where I m at. Probably way behind... But guys take a look at his raise amount. Almost 4 times my bet amount. Doesn't this raise any suspicions to you? If he had the KK he would try to take my money slowly, so he would have just called. If he had anything else ( including AA ) , he should have c-bet the flop. So? What do we have left? AQ and AJ. At this time, I figured that my hand was better and put him all-in to let him draw to his 6 outs. I was correct. My decision of putting him all in was taken only because of his reraise amount and nothing else. Something didn't make sense there and I figured that I was way ahead. So, the rest of the hand :


Hero raises all-in to $22.25, BB calls $7.00

Turn: ($51.10) 8
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(2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($51.10) 3
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(2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $51.10 ($2.50 Rake)

BB had A
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Q
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(a pair of Deuces) and LOST (-$25.50)

Hero had 4
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4
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(two pair, Fours and Deuces) and WON (+$23.10)
 
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You got check-raised for 2/3rds of his remaining stack. You're behind everything but a check-raise bluff, which doesn't happen to often on these limits. this time you got lucky, but I don't like pushing here.
 
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Hmm, I would have folded too, largely because of the lack of reads. I hate getting into these situations with players that I don't have a read on, or conversely don't have a read on me to know that I'm not LAG. As it turned out, good read based on the info that you did have.


Last night as I was getting ready to quit for the night I had AJ in late position, only UTG new player/limper in the pot. I raised, he reraised and I called. Low flop, he pushed. I had the same feeling as you did here, but I folded because I had no read on him, plus I had only Ace high.
 
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Yeah, you played this real bad (and got very lucky).

First, you have to fold to his reraise preflop, you don't have set odds, and you can't really continue on flops that don't have a 2.

OK...now onto flop, I don't like your flop bet. Most people when they rr preflop and check the flop, its so they can C/R. Our hand obv cant stand a C/R..so it's better to check and see how he plays the turn and also gives us a chance to catch up if we're behind.

Now I really hate your reasoning as to why we're ahead here. Why would AA always cbet the flop? He knows you can hardly ever stand a bet (your range of hands is mainly pairs less than the king.). Ditto AK/KK/QQ etc etc. Now, what if he had AQ/AJ this would be the PERFECT flop for him to cbet, as you're folding so often, so i think AQ/AJ RARELY checks this flop.

You're reading WWAAAYYYYY too much into his c/r amount. His check raise was far smaller than the size of the pot nd committed him to get allin...not the sort of play most ppeople will make with A-high!
 
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I can relate to what hes tryin to say here completely. The board Isn't coordinated and villain can almost be certain you don't have a 2. I'd think if he had a king and wanted to protect his hand against an ace on the turn he'd raise about the pot but he's actually overbetting a lot. The problem is though, that a lot of good players will do exactly that. Overbet to look suspicious to get a loose call like this. So you have to watch out for that.
 
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I can relate to what hes tryin to say here completely. The board Isn't coordinated and villain can almost be certain you don't have a 2. I'd think if he had a king and wanted to protect his hand against an ace on the turn he'd raise about the pot but he's actually overbetting a lot. The problem is though, that a lot of good players will do exactly that. Overbet to look suspicious to get a loose call like this. So you have to watch out for that.


He's NOT overbetting the pot. A pot sized raise would be to $18.6
 
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The problem is though, that a lot of good players will do exactly that
No way at this level.

Why would AA always cbet the flop?
I didn't fully explain all the details of my thoughts but why a AA reraise too much on the flop when he is almost sure he is way ahead? An almost 4 times my c-bet meant a lot to me. I do not know at which levels you play. As I said, I play lately a lot ( 30.000+ hands ) at these levels and the bet pot of 18.6 is not the case here. If he had me beat I d expect anything from minraising to 3 times my bet. As strange as it may seem if this guy had bet less than 14$, I would have immediately released my hand.
 
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I play quite a bit higher, but I've been sweating/coaching/making vids at this level quite a bit recently, so I feel I certainly have a handle on how it plays. Sure, SOME people might not raise that much with AA, but the ting is, SOME people will. Another problem, is that sometimes he thinks he's bluffing with like 88, and you get all in with his "bluff", but he still has the best hand. Lastly, the other problem, is that when you're right, he still has 6 outs and so still wins 26% of the time! When you're wrong, you win only 10% of the time
 
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sometimes he thinks he's bluffing with like 88
Ok. I totally agree with this but I felt that I was ahead in this case. As I can remember, I didn't try before a move like this, so it's probably 1 in 30.000 hands :)

Thanks for your input.
 
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