Limit advice - KQJ on flop

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I jammed the pot on the flop, holding K♦Q♥, but seeing as I was being re-raised, I went into check-call mode on the turn and river, thinking someone had a straight or trips. Is this correct play or should I be more aggressive? Or fold it?

Seat 1: laotang ($78.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Bombjack_x [KD,QH] ($12.80 in chips)
Seat 3: paul_nitro ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 10: bumsti1 ($100.15 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
Bombjack_x posts blind ($0.50), paul_nitro posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
bumsti1 bets $2, laotang calls $2, Bombjack_x calls $1.50, paul_nitro calls $1.

FLOP [board cards Q♦,J♠,K♣]
Bombjack_x bets $1, paul_nitro bets $2, bumsti1 calls $2, laotang folds, Bombjack_x bets $2, paul_nitro bets $2, bumsti1 calls $2, Bombjack_x calls $1.

TURN [board cards Q♦,J♠,K♣,4♦ ]
Bombjack_x checks, paul_nitro bets $2, bumsti1 calls $2, Bombjack_x calls $2.

RIVER [board cards Q♦,J♠,K♣,4♦,2♠ ]
Bombjack_x checks, paul_nitro bets $2, bumsti1 calls $2, Bombjack_x calls $2.
 
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I dont think there is any perfect answer here- it depends who you are playing with. If they are playing quite loose, then maybe you probably should have been more agressive- as they would probably be betting a pair, a pair/draw combo, and two pair more often then the rare made straight. [Would paul just call with JJ, QQ, or KK preflop? And would bumsti just call with them after then flop? Im doubting it, unless you have info the contrary...] If they are much more conservative than that, you might even think about folding as an alternative to how you played it.

Without a good read on the table, I like the way you played it. You may have the best hand, but you played conseratively enough to protect yourself in case you didn't. You still win a fair sized pot if you have the best hand without risking so much that you are hurting if you loose.

EDIT: Now that I look at the chips you have on the table, I would have been more agressive anyway. Since you are risking $10 calling anyway, (and only have $12 on the table) maybe you could have tossed the other $2 into the pot in one swift act of agression. I have trouble justifying this though... just feels right to me. :)
 
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I think Paul_Nitro either slowplayed PF with KK, QQ, or JJ OR he had AT and flopped a straight. Bumsti is drawing something big.

With the action PF and the raise of your flop bet, I would have kept it to 2 bets and smelled a set or better. In Limit, it's harder to read that PF raise. You got more info after you bet the flop and got raised. I'd use it to hit the brakes and look for improvement, especially with the other guy calling that raise. Otherwise, your odds did warrant the check-calldown onward.
 
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If you have two pair on a straight or flush possibility, be as aggresive as you cna in Limit. It's hard to chase away the chasers in limit but this is what you have to do. I don't like the checks on the turn and river. Ram and jam the pot!
 
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If you have two pair on a straight or flush possibility, be as aggresive as you can in Limit. It's hard to chase away the chasers in limit but this is what you have to do. I don't like the checks on the turn and river. Ram and jam the pot!
The opponent's PF & flop raises mean nothing to you? Just keep throwing money in and ignore the info?
 
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In my opinion your play is way too passive. I think the call preflop is pretty good, you dont wanna be raising with a reasonable hand into a table full of limpers, especially when you will be playing every street out of position

On the flop you gotta feel you have the best hand, with only a high pocket pair to beat you. For the players drawing, you are making this pretty cheap for them. The check call on the flop is ok, as its likely you will get an opportunity to check-raise the more expensive fourth street.

My opinion is that if you felt you was behind preflop to KK QQ or JJ, then you should have called preflop. And if you felt you was ahead on the flop, which is highly likely, then you should have been raising, or check raising 4th and 5th street. If your opponent has A10, then you will certainly be finding out with your check-raise!

I am not being overly critical of your play, but you gave your opponents an opportunity to outdraw you very cheaply. This will make your image look very tight/passive and means you wont be getting paid when you hit your big hands like sets and so on.

You wont be hitting hands like top 2 pair all the time, and when you do you wanna be getting paid, not check calling a guy holding 109s
 
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You're fourhanded. I disagree with the PF limp, although it's a lot closer than it would have been if your cards had been suited.

That said, this flop is not a good time to raise. You have 14 scarecards (any nine, ten, jack or ace is going to look pretty ugly for you) and raising won't accomplish anything. Checkraise the turn. Call down if 3-bet (folding is out of the question because of boat outs).
 
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Thanks for the tips. I like the idea of waiting for the turn then check-raising.

It should have occurred to me that since the pot wasn't re-raised, and the fact that there were only 2 queens and 2 kings left in the deck, trips were highly unlikely. So I'm only a dog to T9 or AT, and I think it's worth the risk of being more aggressive.

Anyway, results were: both villains flipped QJ, and I won the hand!
 
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