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aliengenius

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fulltiltpoker Game #5867695677: Table Granite Lake - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:07:44 ET - 2008/04/01
Seat 1: Dakota Kandi ($1.55)
Seat 2: washmachine ($1.25)
Seat 3: OnkelKC ($9.75)
Seat 4: aliengenius ($11.75)
Seat 5: neonobblu ($2)
Seat 6: kechie_com ($13.80)
Seat 7: eyes7475 ($9.75)
Seat 8: Oder01 ($4)
Seat 9: dontyoujudgeme ($6.45)
dontyoujudgeme posts the small blind of $0.05
Dakota Kandi posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Ad Kd]
washmachine folds
OnkelKC folds
aliengenius raises to $0.35
kechie_com folds
eyes7475 calls $0.35
Oder01 folds
dontyoujudgeme folds
Dakota Kandi folds
*** FLOP *** [9h 4d 2d]
aliengenius bets $0.70
eyes7475 has 15 seconds left to act
eyes7475 raises to $2.60
aliengenius raises to $11.40, and is all in two overs and the flush draw
eyes7475 calls $6.80, and is all in
aliengenius shows [Ad Kd]
eyes7475 shows [2c 2h] oops, only 7 outs
Uncalled bet of $2 returned to aliengenius
*** TURN *** [9h 4d 2d] A♥
*** RIVER *** [9h 4d 2d Ah] 8♣
aliengenius shows a pair of Aces
eyes7475 shows three of a kind, Twos
eyes7475 wins the pot ($17.70) with three of a kind, Twos
aliengenius: oops
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.65 | Rake $1.95


FullTiltPoker Game #5868083824: Table Rock Springs - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:50:44 ET - 2008/04/01
Seat 1: tbvle ($4.15)
Seat 2: pokerHaJo ($2.15)
Seat 3: aliengenius ($9.85)
Seat 4: GusJansen ($13.85)
Seat 5: Krios22 ($1.60)
Seat 6: Halabaluza ($16.40)
Seat 7: eunsh2 ($2.80)
Seat 8: ghetto_clown ($10.10)
Seat 9: Das perlt ($6.50)
Krios22 posts the small blind of $0.05
Halabaluza posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [7s 9s]
eunsh2 folds
ghetto_clown folds
Das perlt calls $0.10
tbvle folds
pokerHaJo folds
aliengenius calls $0.10 I play these hands pretty rarely, but was in the co w the table donk limping ahead, so I want to be in pots with him
GusJansen folds
Krios22 folds
Halabaluza checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 6s 2s] nice flop-- note the straight flush draw for improvement
Halabaluza checks
Das perlt bets $0.10
aliengenius raises to $0.65
Halabaluza folds
Das perlt raises to $1.20
aliengenius has 15 seconds left to act
aliengenius has requested TIME
aliengenius raises to $3.95
Das perlt calls $2.75
*** TURN *** [8s 6s 2s] 4♥
Das perlt bets $2.45, and is all in
aliengenius calls $2.45
Das perlt shows [As Ah]
aliengenius shows [7s 9s]
*** RIVER *** [8s 6s 2s 4h] 3♠ yep, he only had five outs, and there's one of them
Das perlt shows a flush, Ace high
aliengenius shows a flush, Nine high
Das perlt wins the pot ($11.85) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.15 | Rake $1.30


FullTiltPoker Game #5868463014: Table Coconut Grove - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:29:53 ET - 2008/04/01
Seat 1: STEPHANIEADAMS ($9.80)
Seat 2: RCAP056 ($1.90)
Seat 3: h4ppyh4rdc0r3 ($2)
Seat 4: aliengenius ($10.90)
Seat 5: Halabaluza ($12.20)
Seat 6: GusJansen ($13.90)
Seat 7: GajinNL ($4.10)
Seat 8: FinnishFool ($10.75)
Seat 9: youneedasuckout ($10.90)
RCAP056 posts the small blind of $0.05
h4ppyh4rdc0r3 has 5 seconds left to act
h4ppyh4rdc0r3 is sitting out
h4ppyh4rdc0r3 has timed out
aliengenius posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Kh Kd]
Halabaluza folds
GusJansen folds
h4ppyh4rdc0r3 has returned
GajinNL raises to $0.40
FinnishFool folds
youneedasuckout folds
STEPHANIEADAMS folds
RCAP056 folds
aliengenius has 15 seconds left to act
aliengenius raises to $2
GajinNL has 15 seconds left to act
GajinNL raises to $4.10, and is all in good ol' ATsoooded for the four bet w no fold equity
aliengenius calls $2.10
GajinNL shows [Td Ad]
aliengenius shows [Kh Kd]
*** FLOP *** [Ah 8c Qh]
*** TURN *** [Ah 8c Qh] 9♥
*** RIVER *** [Ah 8c Qh 9h] 9♦
GajinNL shows two pair, Aces and Nines
aliengenius shows two pair, Kings and Nines
GajinNL wins the pot ($7.45) with two pair, Aces and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.25 | Rake $0.80


FullTiltPoker Game #5878336294: Table Beale - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:58:03 ET - 2008/04/02
Seat 1: thefifthfonz ($2)
Seat 2: aliengenius ($9.65)
Seat 3: RottenTotten ($14.45)
Seat 4: trakster ($9.85)
Seat 5: igor337 ($9.75)
Seat 6: seventwoofclubs ($15.70)
Seat 7: chexiaohong ($1.75)
Seat 8: Mstrpkrplyr ($2)
Seat 9: Alyans ($3.80)
chexiaohong posts the small blind of $0.05
Mstrpkrplyr posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [8d 8c]
Alyans folds
aliengenius calls $0.10
RottenTotten folds
trakster folds
igor337 has 15 seconds left to act
igor337 folds
seventwoofclubs raises to $0.40
chexiaohong folds
Mstrpkrplyr folds
aliengenius calls $0.30 intend to set mine mainly
*** FLOP *** [5c 7d 2d] ok, I have an overpair
aliengenius checks
seventwoofclubs bets $0.60 wouldn't he bet more w a bigger pair to protect against the flush draw?
aliengenius raises to $1.80 Of course he would, I raise !
seventwoofclubs has 15 seconds left to act
seventwoofclubs raises to $14.10 This looks like an I can't fold AK aggrodonk move to me- you see this type of thing a lot at $10NL; it just doesn't make sense that he has a big pair here given his previous action to me
aliengenius calls $7.45, and is all in so I call
seventwoofclubs shows [Qd Jd] Oh, he had the flush draw; he's favored, but w the money already in the pot it turns out my decision was ok
aliengenius shows [8d 8c]
Uncalled bet of $4.85 returned to seventwoofclubs
*** TURN *** [5c 7d 2d] 4♣
*** RIVER *** [5c 7d 2d 4c] J♠ I lose on the river
seventwoofclubs shows a pair of Jacks
aliengenius shows a pair of Eights
seventwoofclubs wins the pot ($17.55) with a pair of Jacks
aliengenius adds $10
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.45 | Rake $1.90


FullTiltPoker Game #5878496455: Table Tierra De Palmas - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:30:07 ET - 2008/04/02
Seat 1: Voomer ($8.80)
Seat 2: h4ppyh4rdc0r3 ($2)
Seat 3: Lamer4et0 ($2)
Seat 4: aliengenius ($9.90)
Seat 5: trakster ($9.90)
Seat 6: sorry babes ($4.30)
Seat 7: Wooyong ($10)
Seat 8: xHulk1986x ($1.85)
Seat 9: mraz ($4.05)
aliengenius posts the small blind of $0.05
trakster posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Ad Qs]
sorry babes folds
xHulk1986x folds
mraz folds
Voomer calls $0.10
h4ppyh4rdc0r3 folds
aliengenius raises to $0.40
trakster folds
Voomer calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [5s Jc Ah]
aliengenius bets $0.55
Voomer calls $0.55
*** TURN *** [5s Jc Ah] Q♥
aliengenius has 15 seconds left to act
aliengenius bets $1.35 I think I have to bet, as any ace will be calling me, and I just redrew to beat AJ and A5
Voomer raises to $2.70 Should I be thinking I'm beat here?
aliengenius raises to $8.95, and is all in Too many hands I beat I decide, plus I have four outs to the boat
Voomer calls $5.15, and is all in
aliengenius shows [Ad Qs]
Voomer shows [Ks Tc] of course he spiked his gutshot
Uncalled bet of $1.10 returned to aliengenius
*** RIVER *** [5s Jc Ah Qh] 2♠
aliengenius shows two pair, Aces and Queens
Voomer shows a straight, Ace high
Voomer wins the pot ($15.95) with a straight, Ace high
aliengenius adds $8.90
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.70 | Rake $1.75


FullTiltPoker Game #5878535386: Table Pueblo Vista - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:37:43 ET - 2008/04/02
Seat 1: saidabous ($2)
Seat 2: zibi83 ($2.50)
Seat 3: JoeMe1986 ($17.85)
Seat 4: aliengenius ($9.70)
Seat 5: Nils10 ($2.90)
Seat 6: RobAnyone ($9.65)
Seat 7: Jubordel ($11.90)
Seat 8: ManiacHanson ($1.90)
Seat 9: trakster ($9.45)
zibi83 posts the small blind of $0.05
JoeMe1986 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Ah Jc]
aliengenius raises to $0.35
Nils10 folds
RobAnyone folds
Jubordel folds
ManiacHanson folds
trakster folds
zibi83 folds
JoeMe1986 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Ad 2d 8s]
JoeMe1986 has 15 seconds left to act
JoeMe1986 bets $0.50
aliengenius calls $0.50 I thought the weak lead HAD to be a worse ace; I should raise here as they are not going anywhere, but for some reason I wanted to keep the pot smaller until a non-diamond falls on the turn
*** TURN *** [Ad 2d 8s] K♥
JoeMe1986 bets $1
aliengenius calls $1 ok, I should def. raise here, but I suck
*** RIVER *** [Ad 2d 8s Kh] K♦
JoeMe1986 has 15 seconds left to act
JoeMe1986 bets $5.20
aliengenius calls $5.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JoeMe1986 shows [Js Kc] three of a kind, Kings someone please explain to me wft he was thinking betting KJo the entire way on an ace high flush into the preflop raiser? someone?
aliengenius mucks
JoeMe1986 wins the pot ($12.75) with three of a kind, Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.15 | Rake $1.40


FullTiltPoker Game #5878403630: Table Beale - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:11:45 ET - 2008/04/02
Seat 1: thefifthfonz ($2.85)
Seat 2: aliengenius ($11.15)
Seat 3: thehell28 ($2.30)
Seat 4: trakster ($9.55)
Seat 5: igor337 ($9.35)
Seat 6: seventwoofclubs ($21.75)
Seat 7: chexiaohong ($1.60)
Seat 9: Alyans ($4.10)
thefifthfonz posts the small blind of $0.05
aliengenius posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Ah 9h]
Soulecist sits down
thehell28 folds
trakster calls $0.10
Soulecist adds $4
igor337 folds
seventwoofclubs folds
chexiaohong folds
Alyans raises to $0.30
thefifthfonz folds
aliengenius calls $0.20 loose call
trakster folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 8s 3h]
aliengenius bets $0.75
Alyans raises to $3.80, and is all in
aliengenius calls $3.05 two overs and the flush draw, heh.
Alyans shows [Qd Qh] ok, one over and the flush draw on a paired board, oops.
aliengenius shows [Ah 9h]
*** TURN *** [8h 8s 3h] Q♠
*** RIVER *** [8h 8s 3h Qs] K♥
Alyans shows a full house, Queens full of Eights
aliengenius shows a flush, Ace high
Alyans wins the pot ($7.55) with a full house, Queens full of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.35 | Rake $0.80


FullTiltPoker Game #5878551922: Table Donna - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:40:58 ET - 2008/04/02
Seat 1: 3xCharmed ($3.35)
Seat 2: i-on on tattoo ($3.85)
Seat 3: GlenFiddich30 ($9.85)
Seat 4: steviestyle ($1.90)
Seat 5: 700ft ceiling ($0.90)
Seat 6: Kronprinz79 ($3.80)
Seat 7: _trailsurfer_ ($3.75), is sitting out
Seat 8: aliengenius ($11.20)
Seat 9: sorry babes ($6.65)
Kronprinz79 is sitting out
aliengenius posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Qh Kh]
sorry babes folds
Kronprinz79 stands up
3xCharmed calls $0.10
700ft ceiling: nice hand, I'm a tool
i-on on tattoo folds
GlenFiddich30 folds
steviestyle folds
victorlaszlo adds $2
700ft ceiling has 15 seconds left to act
700ft ceiling stands up
700ft ceiling has timed out
700ft ceiling folds
aliengenius raises to $0.30
3xCharmed calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [9h 4d Kc]
aliengenius bets $0.60
gilles56 sits down
3xCharmed raises to $1.20
gilles56 adds $4
aliengenius raises to $10.90, and is all in not really a shove, as she only has $1.85 left vvvv
3xCharmed calls $1.85, and is all in
aliengenius shows [Qh Kh]
3xCharmed shows [Kd 6d]
Uncalled bet of $7.85 returned to aliengenius
*** TURN *** [9h 4d Kc] 3♣
*** RIVER *** [9h 4d Kc 3c] 6♥
aliengenius shows a pair of Kings
3xCharmed shows two pair, Kings and Sixes there was zero doubt in my mind that this was coming on the river. ZERO.
3xCharmed wins the pot ($6.05) with two pair, Kings and Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.70 | Rake $0.65


Goodbye six buy-ins over the last two days. I can't win. I hate poker so much right now it makes me sick. I can't take the variance-- I need a fking bone once and a while, ONE HAND every once and a while for god's sake, let me stack one of these donks ONE FKING TIME!

Someone please tell me I'm playing badly, so at least there is something I can try to do...
 
ChuckTs

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All look like coolers and beats to me.

AJ hand if you feel it's a smaller ace just pop it up on the flop. Playing it a little passively is good if the board is dryer since worse hands might fold if you raise, and better ones will obviously call (kind of wa/wb), but with the flush draw I think we could just raise the flop and take it from there.

KQ hand I raise a little more preflop, aside from that just another cooler.

I went through 20k hands of this at 100nl, AG. It's hard to trudge through it, but the only advice I can give you is to just keep plugging away. If it's tilting you or making you lose confidence (it certainly did with me), then you need a break.
 
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All look like coolers and beats to me.

AJ hand if you feel it's a smaller ace just pop it up on the flop. Playing it a little passively is good if the board is dryer since worse hands might fold if you raise, and better ones will obviously call (kind of wa/wb), but with the flush draw I think we could just raise the flop and take it from there.

KQ hand I raise a little more preflop, aside from that just another cooler.

I went through 20k hands of this at 100nl, AG. It's hard to trudge through it, but the only advice I can give you is to just keep plugging away. If it's tilting you or making you lose confidence (it certainly did with me), then you need a break.

Thanks Chuck. If you have any, please give me some tricks/tips to keep me save for the trudge/plugging please...

Here is my graph since March 1st:

10nl
 
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Most of these are just bad beat type hands, but in the AJ v KJ hand what do you think he has on the end that you beat?
 
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Most of these are just bad beat type hands, but in the AJ v KJ hand what do you think he has on the end that you beat?

The weak lead really confused me, since his pfa stat was like 0.63. I thought he had an ace. I played that one badly by not raising either the flop or the turn.
 
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The weak lead really confused me, since his pfa stat was like 0.63. I thought he had an ace. I played that one badly by not raising either the flop or the turn.

If his AF is .63 then raising is probably wrong as he won't be doing it with a draw or a weaker hand really. Usually in spots like those I just call down if it's cheap and play for a showdown.

His pf stats would help too (in considering whether or not he's smooth calling AQ/AK etc). As played on the river it's a fold though - no smaller ace is betting that much, so basically you're looking at flushes, bigger aces, full houses and trips.
 
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Well currently I'm on a 10 buy-in downswing over the last week or so (down 6 at 50nl, up 4 at 25nl, and down another 8 at 25nl). It sucks, it absolutely sucks, but it seems you're playing these fine (well I still question the AJ river play a little bit, but people have covered that, and I'm not sure about playing for stacks with a flush draw and 2 overs simply because of the paired board. Just drawing dead once in a while and less outs than you think the majority of the time).

When you're this upset I think you just have to take a break and let your mind get away from the frustration. If it's an hour for you, than break for an hour. If it takes a week to get past it, do that. But for me I usually quit for the day and then come back the next day. But if you play when you're in the same mindset as writing vents you're throwing away money.

Also, I still think the high rake is hurting you. Check how much rake you've paid, but it's possible you could be at around break even or even positive if the rake were cut in half.
 
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If you have any, please give me some tricks/tips to keep me save for the trudge/plugging please...

It's just that isn't it? Trudge/plugging away. Firing up 4-8 tables, loading up your Pokertracker and PAHUD against 8 other players that have fired up 4-8 tables and loaded up their Pokertracker and PAHUD. Then you all push chips around the table, some of you win, some of you lose, you load up your hands, look at your graphs etc etc etc.

Then you wonder why you don't enjoy it?

Where's the soul? Where's the fun? Why are you playing, are you engaging in a man on man battle of wits, a battle of nerve, a test of your patience, resiliance, problem solving and instinct?

Or are you just looking at a stream of numbers, and pressing buttons based on those numbers?

Ditch the ring games for a week, fire up an SnG (preferably a H2H one), and just run all over your opponents. Find the juicy games, find the bad opponents (i know Americans have a small field to choose from, but there are juicier games than Full tilt) and JUST PLAY REAL POKER - then you'll start enjoying the game again.

(P.S. I couldn't raise any emotion at all reading these hands. Are my bad beat moans as boring as this?:( ).
 
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Fkin' a you run bad. You're like me whenever I decide to sit at 25nl, only mine is over the course of 25 hands, not 25k.

No doubt you shouldn't be down so much. The faults in your play have already been said above, so I won't reiterate.
 
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Also, I still think the high rake is hurting you. Check how much rake you've paid, but it's possible you could be at around break even or even positive if the rake were cut in half.

First hand, 9 handed there is $60.28 on the table. One hand later there is $58.33 on the table - 3.2% less. 10% rake. Just stripping the money away hand after hand.

You pay 10% fee on an SnG. Once. Not EVERY hand that you win.

Go up the levels and the per hand strip will be a hell of a lot less (if $120K was on the table, a $3 rake (capped) would be 0.0025%, 1/1280th of the $10 game. How are you supposed to beat this game?
 
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Fkin' a you run bad. .
Really?

Hand 1 - lost coin toss
Hand 2 - 79s lost to AA
Hand 3 - Unlucky, but seen worse and only $4
Hand 4 - lost coin toss
Hand 5 - opponent put 55 cents in on a 4 outer and won $8.95. NL poker right there
Hand 6 - opponent put the pressure on - he could have been doing that with a hell of a lot of hands that beat AJ.
Hand 7 - A9 lost to QQ
Hand 8 - sucked, but $3.

Sum of the bad runs i've had, this just doesn't compare.
 
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Really?

Hand 2 - 79s lost to AA

ok the rest you were right, but for this one the thing that matters is the bulk of the money went in when AG had the flush and the other guy had a draw to the flush where not only did AG have 2 of his outs but 2 of his other outs were dead because they'd make AG's straight flush. And some of the other hands were just that the other player had those hands. If you have set over set you obviously expect to lose and it wasn't a bad beat, but it still sucks and there's nothing you can do about it.
 
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Yea wtf is up with 10% rake. Just not worth it at all. You'd have alot of trouble breaking even with rake that high.

But even if you play low stake SnGs the fee is still ridiculous...just try to get out of micro stakes as quick as you possibly can imo.

Think about it this way...if you have a 10% ROI for SnGs (not fantastic but solid) you are making only as much as the fee you are paying...ie. if there was no fee you would have a ROI of 20%. Your BR would have doubled if all you played was SnGs and there was no fee.

With 10% rake in cash games it is 100 billion times worse because you are losing 10% each time you put money into a pot.

10% rake in cash games is probably like playing low stake HU cash games with 5% rake...ie. you play about 40 raked hands and there goes a HUGE chunk of your starting buy in...absolute waste of money and i would get out as quick as i could.
 
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Bah, you played like I used to play.
 
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Really?

Hand 1 - lost coin toss
Hand 2 - 79s lost to AA
Hand 3 - Unlucky, but seen worse and only $4
Hand 4 - lost coin toss
Hand 5 - opponent put 55 cents in on a 4 outer and won $8.95. NL poker right there
Hand 6 - opponent put the pressure on - he could have been doing that with a hell of a lot of hands that beat AJ.
Hand 7 - A9 lost to QQ
Hand 8 - sucked, but $3.

Sum of the bad runs i've had, this just doesn't compare.

I don't mean by losing I mean by the coolers. Everything he posted is essentially standard. I would consider that part of running bad.
 
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If his AF is .63 then raising is probably wrong as he won't be doing it with a draw or a weaker hand really. Usually in spots like those I just call down if it's cheap and play for a showdown.

His pf stats would help too (in considering whether or not he's smooth calling AQ/AK etc). As played on the river it's a fold though - no smaller ace is betting that much, so basically you're looking at flushes, bigger aces, full houses and trips.

His stats: calling station: 27/1.27/0.44
I was worried that he had paired his kicker, and have conditioned myself not to go crazy with tp in situations like this. I really though the king on the river may have counterfeited him. I thought it was a good card!

I still am having trouble believing that the rake is 'unbeatable'-- I am 5.63ptbb/100 over 13.7+K hands at $10PL on FT. I realize it is cutting into profit in a huge way, but 'unbeatable'?
 
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nl$10 on FT is certainly beatable, but why bother when you can play against worse players for less rake over on stars.

Meh, lots of coolers there, and not much you can do. The AJ hand was one that stood out a lot, especially if your perpared to play for stacks later on in the hand, we should be raising the flop.

If you want to take part in the low-limit study group we are doing then give one of us a PM. It may be worth it.
 
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'unbeatable' is a stretch and I don't agree with that. I still do think you should get the hell out of those stakes though - that much rake really is ridiculous.

I just ran some rough numbers on 50k+ hands of 100nl, and the rake at PS equates to 2.2 ptbb/100. Double that (assuming PS is %5 which I think it is) and that means 10nl at FTP charges 4.4ptbb/100 in rake.

Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but that sounds about right.
 
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FullTiltPoker Game #5878535386: Table Pueblo Vista - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:37:43 ET - 2008/04/02
Seat 1: saidabous ($2)
Seat 2: zibi83 ($2.50)
Seat 3: JoeMe1986 ($17.85)
Seat 4: aliengenius ($9.70)
Seat 5: Nils10 ($2.90)
Seat 6: RobAnyone ($9.65)
Seat 7: Jubordel ($11.90)
Seat 8: ManiacHanson ($1.90)
Seat 9: trakster ($9.45)
zibi83 posts the small blind of $0.05
JoeMe1986 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Ah Jc]
aliengenius raises to $0.35
Nils10 folds
RobAnyone folds
Jubordel folds
ManiacHanson folds
trakster folds
zibi83 folds
JoeMe1986 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Ad 2d 8s]
JoeMe1986 has 15 seconds left to act
JoeMe1986 bets $0.50
aliengenius calls $0.50 I thought the weak lead HAD to be a worse ace; I should raise here as they are not going anywhere, but for some reason I wanted to keep the pot smaller until a non-diamond falls on the turn
*** TURN *** [Ad 2d 8s] K♥
JoeMe1986 bets $1
aliengenius calls $1 ok, I should def. raise here, but I suck
*** RIVER *** [Ad 2d 8s Kh] K♦
JoeMe1986 has 15 seconds left to act
JoeMe1986 bets $5.20
aliengenius calls $5.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JoeMe1986 shows [Js Kc] three of a kind, Kings someone please explain to me wft he was thinking betting KJo the entire way on an ace high flush into the preflop raiser? someone?
aliengenius mucks
JoeMe1986 wins the pot ($12.75) with three of a kind, Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.15 | Rake $1.40
imo the worst street is actually the river (though i do raise flop), which you surprisingly didnt comment on. really standard river fold when he overbets after the flush completes. if he had the weak A you put him on after the flop and turn, he's not going to suddenly like his hand 4x more on that river, such to overbet. yeah, you can't put him on the K exactly, looks more like a flush or full house by the river, but anything less gets scared when the flush completes and you've been just happily calling him down with the draw out. technically with the K he might be worried too, but he obv just thought "zomg i made backdoor trips, nuts"

what were you putting him on by the river? because the weaker A thing no longer makes any sense, and that's even in terms of players who are awful

most of the rest of them just look like mostly standard beats and slightly bad luck. hang in there and gl to you
 
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FullTiltPoker Game #5867695677: Table Granite Lake - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:07:44 ET - 2008/04/01
Seat 1: Dakota Kandi ($1.55)
Seat 2: washmachine ($1.25)
Seat 3: OnkelKC ($9.75)
Seat 4: aliengenius ($11.75)
Seat 5: neonobblu ($2)
Seat 6: kechie_com ($13.80)
Seat 7: eyes7475 ($9.75)
Seat 8: Oder01 ($4)
Seat 9: dontyoujudgeme ($6.45)
dontyoujudgeme posts the small blind of $0.05
Dakota Kandi posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Ad Kd]
washmachine folds
OnkelKC folds
aliengenius raises to $0.35
kechie_com folds
eyes7475 calls $0.35
Oder01 folds
dontyoujudgeme folds
Dakota Kandi folds
*** FLOP *** [9h 4d 2d]
aliengenius bets $0.70
eyes7475 has 15 seconds left to act
eyes7475 raises to $2.60
aliengenius raises to $11.40, and is all in two overs and the flush draw
eyes7475 calls $6.80, and is all in
aliengenius shows [Ad Kd]
eyes7475 shows [2c 2h] oops, only 7 outs
Uncalled bet of $2 returned to aliengenius
*** TURN *** [9h 4d 2d] A♥
*** RIVER *** [9h 4d 2d Ah] 8♣
aliengenius shows a pair of Aces
eyes7475 shows three of a kind, Twos
eyes7475 wins the pot ($17.70) with three of a kind, Twos
aliengenius: oops
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.65 | Rake $1.95

All look like coolers and beats to me.

Most of these are just bad beat type hands,
OK. I could be wrong so but someone tell me why I'm wrong in what I say here...

I see a whole lot of aggression in these hands and I've learned that aggression doesn't work at $10NL donk stakes. But then there's the comments that these are just beats and I don't get it. I'll just focus on the first hand specifics...

Call me a "nit" all you want, but why is a shove OK on a draw to MAYBE 15 outs? And it's a BIG "maybe". At these stakes, K9, A9, 94s, 99, 44, and 22 are soooo likely here. And I think an overpair is less likely since there was no reraise PF. At 10NL, QQ, KK, and AA definitely reraise PF and JJ & TT just might, also. With the villian's flop reraise, you've got to put him on one of the more likely hands. So the 6 more likely hands have stolen some of the 15 outs to draw to and weakens the AKs. And the 3-bet push isn't too likely to get him to fold.

I think calling the flop re-raise might have been OK if the player read warrants it, but I would have folded. Considering the donk stakes, someone tell me why I'm wrong.
 
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OK. I could be wrong so but someone tell me why I'm wrong in what I say here...

I see a whole lot of aggression in these hands and I've learned that aggression doesn't work at $10NL donk stakes. But then there's the comments that these are just beats and I don't get it. I'll just focus on the first hand specifics...

Call me a "nit" all you want, but why is a shove OK on a draw to MAYBE 15 outs? And it's a BIG "maybe". At these stakes, K9, A9, 94s, 99, 44, and 22 are soooo likely here. And I think an overpair is less likely since there was no reraise PF. At 10NL, QQ, KK, and AA definitely reraise PF and JJ & TT just might, also. With the villian's flop reraise, you've got to put him on one of the more likely hands. So the 6 more likely hands have stolen some of the 15 outs to draw to and weakens the AKs. And the 3-bet push isn't too likely to get him to fold.

I think calling the flop re-raise might have been OK if the player read warrants it, but I would have folded. Considering the donk stakes, someone tell me why I'm wrong.

Against the range you've laid out:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.330% 38.19% 00.14% 10964 40.50 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 61.670% 61.53% 00.14% 17665 40.50 { 99, 44, 22, A9s, K9s, 94s, A9o, K9o }

We're not even that big of a dog.

I'm making assumptions here - I'm not familiar with 10nl but I assume there are 'bad' players there - but we can add in slowplayed overpairs, other FDs, medium pairs, weaker TP hands, bluffs...there are plenty of other hands in there. I mean all he's done is called a raise pf and raised the flop bet. I see bluffs, weak pairs, slowplayed overpairs, and other draws a lot of the time.

I don't think we need to go too much into detail with that hand, but in general you almost always want to get your money in with overs and a FD (the bigger the overcards the better) especially if you have fold equity. Those are hands we want to see the river card with too, Stick. If we call and the turn is a brick, our play is going to look a lot like a draw check-calling and it'll be a lot harder to get our money in when/if we hit our hand on the river. We'll also be a little unsure if we hit an ace or king.
 
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1 easy fold
2 semi cooler
3 cooler
4 easy fold
5 cooler
6 cooler
7 easy fold
8 cooler

although the op does not value my opinion , gonna give it anyway :)

to aggressive to early and on draws (don't everyone yell at once , I know I'm a puss )

hope you're getting all your money back plus some in the bigger buy in MTT's (you're forte ) :)


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Against the range you've laid out:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.330% 38.19% 00.14% 10964 40.50 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 61.670% 61.53% 00.14% 17665 40.50 { 99, 44, 22, A9s, K9s, 94s, A9o, K9o }

We're not even that big of a dog.

I'm making assumptions here - I'm not familiar with 10nl but I assume there are 'bad' players there - but we can add in slowplayed overpairs, other FDs, medium pairs, weaker TP hands, bluffs...there are plenty of other hands in there. I mean all he's done is called a raise pf and raised the flop bet. I see bluffs, weak pairs, slowplayed overpairs, and other draws a lot of the time.

I don't think we need to go too much into detail with that hand, but in general you almost always want to get your money in with overs and a FD (the bigger the overcards the better) especially if you have fold equity. Those are hands we want to see the river card with too, Stick. If we call and the turn is a brick, our play is going to look a lot like a draw check-calling and it'll be a lot harder to get our money in when/if we hit our hand on the river. We'll also be a little unsure if we hit an ace or king.
Some good points, Chuck. His odds to at least call the flop were close enough, I guess. And if he just called the flop reraise, I bet he would have had to push when the Ace came on the turn anyway. Maybe a bigger PF raise from MP mighta got the ducks to fold. Maybe not.
 
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i can't even explain how bad bet/folding in hand 1 would be. good to know some of you guys only 3bet postflop with the nuts. jeez

let's think about a hand and use the beauty of aggression and not just waiting for the nuts every time. we raised in MP and made a standard c-bet on a flop that missed overwhelming majority of our hands. thus we easily have fold equity because he can have any number of medium pairs that figure they're good (until we 3bet), or pure air. we have way near the top of our range, and we even do well against a rather strong calling range. yes obv he raised so let's put him on a set only. the weaktightness of this forum disturbs me at times. name any good aggressive player in the history of ever and not one of them folds flop in hand 1
 
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