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stealthy1

Rock Star
This is my first time putting HH up for analysis, go easy!

I'm never sure how to approach A6 when the table is down to 5 or 6 and the blinds are kicking in. My read on barna11 is that he's quite loose and has shown some weak but winning hands.

***** Hand 480378608 *****
100.00/200.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 09 December 2006 11:34:51
STT $3 NL (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: oxo666 (1845.00)
Seat 2: stealthy1 (2560.00)
Seat 4: oli88 (4330.00)
Seat 6: zxcgear (3745.00)
Seat 8: barna11 (2520.00)
barna11 post SB 100.00
oxo666 post BB 200.00
** Deal **
oxo666 [N/A, N/A]
stealthy1 [Ah, 6h]
oli88 [N/A, N/A]
zxcgear [N/A, N/A]
barna11 [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
stealthy1 Call 200.00
oli88 Fold
zxcgear Fold
barna11 Call 200.00
oxo666 Check
*** Flop(Board): *** : [As, Kc, 8d]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
barna11 Check
oxo666 Check
stealthy1 Bet 600.00
barna11 Call 600.00
oxo666 Fold
*** Turn(Board): *** : [As, Kc, 8d, 8s]
*** Bet Round 3 ***
barna11 Check
stealthy1 Check
*** River(Board): *** : [As, Kc, 8d, 8s, Js]
*** Bet Round 4 ***
barna11 Bet 400.00
stealthy1 Call 400.00
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 2600.00
stealthy1 Muck Win:0.00
barna11 [9s, Ks] Ace high flush Win:2600.00
 
Welly

Welly

Guest
The 8 on the turn is a great card for your ace rag. You should not be checking here. (eg A9/AT/AJ/AQ all now splitting with you).

It's a classic case of betting a relatively weak hand, but getting scared when it actually improves, and allowing him a free card.
 
Beriac

Beriac

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Welly has nailed it. Your A6 went from AAK86, which can be beat by a lot of other ace holdings, to AAK88, which ties just about anything. I think you bet it out here, assuming a split or better.
 
Bombjack

Bombjack

Legend
I don't really like pushing pre-flop with A6... classic "only getting called if you're beat" trap.

Nothing wrong with a raise to 500 though. Blinds are fairly short themselves so they're pushing / folding. You can fold to a push (knowing you're probably beat) and still be in good shape, but more likely you'll win the blinds with much less risk.
 
mrsnake3695

mrsnake3695

I'm confused
Ace-6 under the gun. I fold here. I hate ace small, there are way too many hands that beat you and nothing that would call you the you dominate. You are underdog to any pair (especially a pair over 6s), any other ace that would call also has you dominated. You are barely a fav over other hands that might call like KQ, etc. It's definatley a push/fold with my preference being fold. With the push you get fold equity so that's your second choice but everyone is left to act after you so there's a chance someone will call which you don't want with this hand. If you were on the button it is worth playing but not here I don't think.
 
Bombjack

Bombjack

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I've read HoH2. He says that the Red zone (< 5x the starting pot) is the time when you only have one move left - the all-in. We've got 8.5 times the starting pot so we're well into the Orange zone. I know players like Steve Dannenmann advocate going all-in from any position so you never go below 8x the big blind, but here we have over 12x the big blind. We're not totally committed to the all-in, especially since other players have similarly short stacks and may well fold to much smaller raises, depending on your read. Of course you could just fold it - for me it would depend how tight the other players are playing. You'd rather not get called, so I'd raise if they're playing tight, or fold if they're playing loose.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

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crap crap crap

Seat 1: oxo666 (1845.00)
Seat 2: stealthy1 (2560.00)

misread the 1845 as hero's stack, feel free to ignore me (use converter tho everyone plskthx).

I prefer just folding in this case. raise to ~550 isn't bad, pushing is yucky.
 
Tammy

Tammy

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I've got to go with the general consensus here. Folding preflop UTG is probably the best choice, but, if you are going to play this hand at all, you need to make a bit of a raise (more than minimum! ;) ) to gauge where you're at. Post flop you're out of position with a hand that can get you into a lot of trouble.
 
zebranky

zebranky

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a slightly different point...

I'll preface this by saying I'm a primarily brick-and-mortar poker player rather than online, but I think this point applies still - BET AGAINST THE DRAWS. BET BIG.

Not only is you hand improved to AA88K (which means that only someone with a AK, KK or an eight is beating you - and the 8 isn't likely after the way you bet the flop), but you've just seen two cards to the flush. At least in the games I play, many of the newer or more passive players make a good hand on the flop or turn and - as in this case - don't bet out strong. The result is they make it cheap for someone who is drawing to a straight or flush to see another card. I'd need to have a pretty good read on your opponent to say how much to bet, but it should be at least a 1/2 pot sized bet (or all in, if you have at least 1/3 the pot or more left). That gives your opponent 3-1 on his money to call, with his drawing odds being (roughly) 5-1 for a flush, or 6-1 for a straight. The last thing you should do is check - a free card almost certainly won't help your hand (only one of the last 2 aces or 2 eights can help you).

It is always better to take down the small/medium pot than risk letting the drawing hands get a chance to win it from you.
 
quazar66

quazar66

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i agree with mrsnake Any AX under the gun is bad and should be folded unless it is 3 or 4 handed. There is to many things that can go wrong and you most likely are drawing for only 3 cards in the game I just cant play that way to risky.
 
zebranky

zebranky

Rock Star
i agree with mrsnake Any AX under the gun is bad and should be folded unless it is 3 or 4 handed. There is to many things that can go wrong and you most likely are drawing for only 3 cards in the game I just cant play that way to risky.

You know, I have to disagree with folding the AX suited - I would actually argue its a much better hand under the gun IF you think you can get in cheap. The hard part about playing this hand is letting it go if an A comes out (which you should). The way to play it is to look for an 8 high board (giving you best kicker), two pair or your flush draw. It does take discipline - because your A alone is no good - but on those rare times you flop/turn two pair for cheap, you have a very good chance of extracting a whole lot of chips from the guy with A and another face card.

I would only attempt this deep stacked (in my experience, a hand like this only gets a good flop around 1 in five times), so you're going to fold the flop a lot - which is why I say only do it if it's cheap, and you have a DS. Most times that I get it, though, the pot is around 20 BB, so I think the investment is worth it. the other 4 times you're gonna be 2nd best hand - so understand the odds that you're getting and be ready to fold.
 
Beriac

Beriac

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Personally, I agree that Ax suited is an easy fold UTG, unless you're playing at an extremely passive table. Most of the full tables I play at, tourney or ring, someone is going to raise it up and I wouldn't call a big raise with it.

Now, if you're in late position, you have the advantage of seeing if you can follow a bunch of limpers and only a few people are behind you and can raise. That's primarily why I play stuff like Ax suited only positionally.
 
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