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Grumbledook

Grumbledook

Guest
Right then, some people were asking for this and it seems that the uptake is somewhat small, or people just don't know the best way to go about posting. Here is a quick guide to posting one and if you have any comments on the actual hand, then please do.

Ok this was from a limit holdem game $2/4 on party.

I was dealt Q♣Q♥ preflop and I am 3 off the button.

To create the suit code like I just did type [.qc.] (without the dots) for queen of clubs, or for anything else just put [xy] where x is the card AQKJ23 etc and y is the suit SHDC

It gets folded round until the guy acting before me, now he raises to $4. He has been playing A LOT of hands and has shown plenty of preflop aggression. I want to get heads up with him so I reraise to $6. This was in hope to get heads up against him, he had paid me off nicely a few times already.

The next guy folds, then to my surprise the cutoff guy calls 3 bets cold. This one had me worried, he had been playing a lot of hands but was very passive and usually folded to any aggression, to call 3 bets colde I had to put him on something.

Button and small blind fold but then the big blind calls 2 bets cold and the original raiser calls. So we have 4 for the flop and a rather large pot already at this limit. While nice to have it meant it gave any drawing hands correct odds to try and hit their draw.

Flop comes 9♣8♣J♦

Not too bad, I am holding an over pair but there is both a club flush draw and a number of different straight draws. The blind and original raiser could have anything, the danger man behind me I had to suspect had high pair or two high cards (probably suited).

Big blind bets, raiser calls, now against these two I have to think I am best here so throw in a raise to see what danger man will do. Now he reraises me. Alarm bells are going off now, does he have AA or KK, can't see him trying a bluff raise, its not in his nature and there has been action before him already. He might even have trip Jacks or something. Blind calls 2 cold bets again, this also has me worried. Raiser folds and I simply call (pot is rather large to fold for $2 at this point)

Turn brings 5♠

Phew, means the flush hasn't hit, so safe from that at the moment, no 10 though giving me a pretty good straight (only would lose against KQ and can't put anyone on that). Blind and myself check, danger man puts out a bet the blind pulls out a check raise on us. I took some time here to try and work out what he had, I really considered a fold here. Though decided he probably had a jack. He had only been at the table for about 5 hands so didn't have anything to really have a read off.

In the end I called, hindsight maybe it was a mistake incase I got 3 bet by the danger man or even then capped by the blind after that. Danger man has been very passive though and his flop reraise made me believe he wanted the field thinned, so while having agood hand it was vulnerable. So he also just called like I hoped and we saw a river.

River card 9♠

Slight danger here but I couldn't think anyone had come this far with a 9, no flush possible and that didn't help out any straight draws. Blind bets and 2 calls takes us to show down.

Blind shows 7♦6♥ for a straight
Whilst I just have my queens for 2 pair
Danger man has Q♦Q♠ for the same hand as myself

Blind takes down the $78 pot and I am left puzzled by all the cold calling he made with 76 offsuit.

Now I probably would have been better off folding on the turn and saving myself 3 bets. So any comments from anyone would be nice.
 
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jde_07

Guest
I have played in alot small games like that.($4-$8) I have made lots of money playing in games like that. but I know how you feel. I had pocket ace's 14 times in one week of playing and got them ran over every time. One time I had this guy call 3 bets cold with 7-2 off and caught his 2 pair on the river.

The only thing I can tell is people play that way and you want to play like that because genarally they are paying you off in the long run. So I wouldn't change much in you play on it. I guess though with 4 way action going to the river you might get the feeling somebody has the straight. but with a pot that large its almost worth calling down.
 
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acemagnets

Guest
You read them well I think. You knew you were probably beat, but the bigger that pot got the more you had to call.
 
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Bucksfreak

Guest
You definitely had to call, and I think you played it well, but in those limit game you always have to be aware of people calling with suited connectors as many do even 3 bets cold! Now I know the big blind wasn't suited but he could have easily had 9 10 suited and that STILL would have beat you. Pocket pairs in limit are not as valuable as in No-Limit. You can't put the power behind them.
 
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xdmanx007

Legend
You should have tied him up and use his 7,6 offsuit to give the guy paper cuts between every finger and toe he had! or you could just hope the next hand he plays like that he doesn't hit it and pays you off, but I like my first idea better :)
 
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Heshkak

Guest
All wrong grumble. I would have likely folded on the flop after the danger man's raise, and definately on the turn when you get check raised. With that size of a pot, for a guy to check raise on the turn screamed strength and your likely looking at 4 outs (10's).
 
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jde_07

Guest
thats not true because I know guy that one of his favorite moves is a check raise no matter what even if he doesn't have anything. And the worst part is that he isn't the only person I know that does that. He says he is setting people up for later with his check,raise,fold techinique. I think the pot odds on it are to good in a low limit game to lay it down. I don't know though with all the action you have to get the feeling you were beat.
 
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xdmanx007

Legend
jde_07 said:
thats not true because I know guy that one of his favorite moves is a check raise no matter what even if he doesn't have anything. And the worst part is that he isn't the only person I know that does that. He says he is setting people up for later with his check,raise,fold techinique. I think the pot odds on it are to good in a low limit game to lay it down. I don't know though with all the action you have to get the feeling you were beat.
I prefer to slip players ,like your friend, 10 exlax in the drink I buy them when they pull that crap with me! hehe
 
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cwcsr1

Rising Star
I cant see anything wrong with your thinking on this hand. There is no way to account for the "Lotto" players out there.(Beggin cards on the river to kill your good play). I also agree with the others who said that in the long run your good play will pay off big time against that style of play.
 
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petroliakid

Guest
the problem was not in the way you play'd...but in the fact that 80-90% of internet players dont know when to lay down a hand...sad part is the guy call'n them bets miss'd out on some free cash on the turn and river...since i dont think the guy with the other pair of queens would have put it down..I know that even in casino ring games ppl are fearful of fold'n..I see it all the time..thou you need guys like that, it sure is hard to beat 4 or 5 of them,,,you know some1 is hunt'n for there 1 out.

TheKid
 
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peter1811

Visionary
Hi Grumble ,

you played right and i have this problem sometimes too.

Like i said on another post i learn to wait now. But your hand was right and a player with skill will have folded and you will have won the pot. ( split pot )
 
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impressthekid

Guest
i would have done the same thing because you are not really thinking someone would go in that much with 67 of suit but you never now but i still would have played and beated way more from the start.
 
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kbfunk

Guest
nothin pisses me off more when u get ppl playing online and they call ur large raise w/ crap...just because they dont care and win..
 
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xdmanx007

Legend
kbfunk said:
nothin pisses me off more when u get ppl playing online and they call ur large raise w/ crap...just because they dont care and win..
I have started seeing a therapist about this very issue. My family was worried about the huge knots on the front of my skull, cause I had been beating my head on the desk so often and hard! Plus I kept waking up in the middle of the night drippin wet screaming 9,2!! I now have a thorazine IV and am doing much better, hopefully in time I will be able to rejoin society.
 
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CAJUN43

Guest
limit vs. no limit

the 67 doesn't play in no limit game with the correct raise pre-flop. stop playing in limit games...start playing in no-limit games.
 
IrishDave

IrishDave

A Member
CAJUN43 said:
the 67 doesn't play in no limit game with the correct raise pre-flop. stop playing in limit games...start playing in no-limit games.
Limit or no-limit, there are folks that will call anything with anything. Over the long haul "correct" play will overcome; however, I've also run out of money waiting for this to happen.

Example, guy called my all-in pre-flop with 4-5o...
 
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zeta056

Guest
great play for the most part... you read the danger guy pretty well and blind was just goin in with nothin.. i guess his open ended draw was good enough to stay considering if he did hit he would have best had... great play and in the long run im sure you'll come up big...
 
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Nabbin Bones

Rising Star
CAJUN43 said:
the 67 doesn't play in no limit game with the correct raise pre-flop. stop playing in limit games...start playing in no-limit games.
Can't agree more. So tough to get a read with limit games. No limit, easier to scare the crap away. But still end up with the non-witted "Powerball" winners hitting miracle turns and rivers!
 
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QuaDZaa

Guest
I play in majority of time at PL, and the best victory of mine it was when i got A4, another player KK, and the dealers cards: AKA4A... Verry lucky, aa...??
 
onebigblue

onebigblue

Guest
u just have to be careful of those odd balls and dont be so aggressive in the early going wait 4 the nut to go crazy
 
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propokah

Guest
correct play...but u gotta play at NL games since u gotta drive ppl out with crappy hands with a big pre flop raise...can't do that in limits
 
bubbasbestbabe

bubbasbestbabe

Suckout Queen
xdmanx007 said:
I have started seeing a therapist about this very issue. My family was worried about the huge knots on the front of my skull, cause I had been beating my head on the desk so often and hard! Plus I kept waking up in the middle of the night drippin wet screaming 9,2!! I now have a thorazine IV and am doing much better, hopefully in time I will be able to rejoin society.
A couple of nice tourney wins will do you a world of good. Take two and call me in the morning.
 
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xdmanx007

Legend
propokah said:
correct play...but u gotta play at NL games since u gotta drive ppl out with crappy hands with a big pre flop raise...can't do that in limits
ARGH! Better not skip learning limit on your way to playing NL, you will never be as good a Hold'em player as you could be if you just get pissed and jump into NL without learning how to be a successful limit player FIRST!
 
MicheleW

MicheleW

Rock Star
I agree with those who said stop playing limit and pot limit games - those games are "best hand at the end" wins ... and these guys just waited it out with really small bets. If it was NL, you could have raised enough to scare the 7/2 os out of it as well as the others. In limit holdem, you can't bluff or raise high enough to make people fold. There's really no psychology to limit poker - because best ending hand wins. JMThoughts...
 
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graidar

Rising Star
My favorite letters are QQ, they are those that but satisfactions they gave me. I have not had much luck with AA. But my thought is that this game is no logica.
 
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