Disagreement with my brother...

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Okay, I feel dumb for even posting this but my brother keeps bitching at me saying that I had played this hand really really bad... (I don't take much of his advice seriously since he is in the red and i'm up quite a bit...)

First off, reads... pbenno has been steaming lately, lost a few big pots.. And I noticed he loved to bluff the flush, on three ocasions within 45 minutes he would bet huge on the third suited card and turned out to have nothing at all...

I had been playing pretty solid poker.. So, when they all had limped in I raised it up to 2.50 and the flop came K,10,6.. What I initially put them on before the flop was a low-medium pocket pair... When the flop came I figured I could throw out a bet and make it look like I had AK, thinking if someone had KJ or lower they would fold since I had been playing so tight.. If they raise, well then obviously I fold..If i get flat called, oh well I have an ace as a possible out and the J for the straight... oh and the backdoor flush draw...

On the turn my thinking was, okay... This guy just bet out into me 11 euro's... And i've seen him represent a flush many many times without it.... With him only having 9 euro's left after his 11 euro bet, I decided to push on him...

Now In my opinion my only possible mistake was the flop bet being a bit too big.. the pot was at 10 euro's ish at the time, so perhaps a 3.50 euro bet might have been better... But other then that I really think I played it fine.. Obviously I got lucky hitting the jack on the turn but other then... IF I had no reads on the guy and he had some more money at the table.. I would probably fold on the turn.


Game # 481603219 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0.25/0.50 - Table "Uddevalla"

Players(max 6):
kristos88 (EUR 24.15 in seat 1)
Tess-Elvis (EUR 26.60 in seat 2)
pbenno (EUR 28.45 in seat 3)
Xife (EUR 56.24 in seat 4)
Moonshield (EUR 36.46 in seat 5)
Johnny_Ace (EUR 24.00 in seat 6)

Dealer: Moonshield
Small Blind: Johnny_Ace (0.25)
Big Blind: kristos88 (0.50)

Xife was dealt: :qd4: - :ad4:

Tess-Elvis Call (0.50)
pbenno Call (0.50)
Xife Raise (2.50)
Moonshield Fold
Johnny_Ace Fold
kristos88 Fold
Tess-Elvis Call (2.00)
pbenno Call (2.00)

Flop :10d4: - :ks4: - :6s4:

Tess-Elvis Check
pbenno Check
Xife Bet (5.00)
Tess-Elvis Fold
pbenno Call (5.00)

Turn t:d: - :ks4: - :6s4: - :js4:

pbenno Bet (11.00)
Xife All-In (48.74)
pbenno All-In (9.95)
Xife Payback (27.79)

River :10d4: - :ks4: - :6s4: - :js4: - :6d4:

pbenno shows: :qs4: - :jc4: (two pairs, jacks and sixes)
Xife shows: :qd4: - :ad4: (a straight, ace high)

Xife wins: EUR 57.15 (with a straight, ace high)
Rake: EUR 3.00

Game ended 2006-12-14 23:56:06 GMT+01:00
 
zebranky

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looks good

Actually, your play looks good to me. You preflop bet built the pot, and your bet on the flop was a solid 1/2 the pot - enough to get rid of the trash, but still enough to get a caller. You're betting a drawing hand, so you definitely don't want a raise.

Your opponent wa doing the same thing as you - betting a draw - and you obviously knew his pattern, as he represented a flush that he didn't have, just as you predicted. You caught him. He was pretty much dead except for his straight draw - because a J gave you the straight, and a Q would still elave you with the best kicker. Whereas you could still draw either of your hole cards for best pair.

What, exactly, did your brother think the mistake was? The preflop raise was suitable with your hole cards, betting a draw with two face cards is good on the flop, and you had the straight on the turn - of course you're willing to jam the pot.
 
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Looks pretty standard by both players, thoguh pbenno should probably be leading or check-raising allin on the flop (probably the latter considering his stack).
 
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What, exactly, did your brother think the mistake was? The preflop raise was suitable with your hole cards, betting a draw with two face cards is good on the flop, and you had the straight on the turn - of course you're willing to jam the pot.
My brother claims that the post flop bet was wrong.. He says that I should have just checked or bet less on the flop... and fold if bet into... He also says going along with my read was too risky and the guy could have had a flush, but I'm finding lately I'm going a lot with my reads and lots of times they are correct.. Not to mention the guy was short stacked by the turn, so basically he was pushing no matter what...

He thinks very linear when it comes to poker, he doesn't look at things like other ways to win a pot, I.e not having the best hand but betting when you see weakness, looking at implied odds, using reads... etc.

And dorkus I agree 100%, if he had reraised me on the flop I would have folded... I think the reason for him just calling was because he put me on an AK tho, even still he should have reraised... (Or perhaps he wanted to just call making it look like he was chasing a flush or even a straight, and push once it came)

Anyways, thanks for your opinions..
 
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gord962

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My brother claims that the post flop bet was wrong.. He says that I should have just checked or bet less on the flop
There is nothing wrong with throwing out a semi-bluff when on a drawing hand - gut shot straight and a back door flush. Also, you raised PF so the villain was expecting a c-bet from you. If you raise 5 X BB PF and then check post flop with a drawing hand like that I would say you have a hole in your game.
 
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