My biggest loss at micro stakes this month

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So far have been doing pretty well in the micro stakes making an average of about 50bb/h 4 tabling the .02/.04 tables.

This hand occured at the end of my first loosing session. I was down a couple of dollars from having been lucked out on a couple of times and laid down AQ on a good board against what the villain said was AQ. So I might have been a little bit more loose than usual in trying to get some winnings.


Stacks:
* UTG+2 with $5.50
* MP1 with $7.43
* MP2 with $4.98
* MP3 with $4.98
* CO with $2.73
* BTN with $5.20
* SB with $4.96
* BB with $3.81
* UTG with $5.32
* UTG+1 with $4.96

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Site: party poker
* * Dealt to MP1:9♥ 9♠
* * Sklansky group 3
Preflop:
* * UTG raises [$0.16 USD]
I know what people are going to say, but in these tables people will raise almost any good looking cards UTG although I should have noted that this player was quite solid.


* * 2 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$0.16 USD]
* * 3 players fold.
* * BTN calls [$0.16 USD]
* * SB calls [$0.14 USD]
* * BB calls [$0.12 USD]
* * Total folds this street: 5
* * Potsize: $0.8
Flop:
* * 9♦ 10♦ 7♦
* * SB checks
* * BB checks
* * UTG bets [$0.80 USD]
* * Hero calls [$0.80 USD]
* * 3 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $2.4
Turn:
* * J♦
* * UTG bets [$2.28 USD]
* * 3 players fold.
* * Hero raises [$4.56 USD]
* * UTG is all-in [$2.08 USD]
* * Potsize: $11.32
River:
* * 6♣
* * Hero shows three of a kind, Nines:
* * 9♥ 9♠
* * UTG shows a flush, Ace high:
* * A♠ A♦ Hero wins $0.20 USD from side pot #1 with three of a kind, Nines.
* * UTG wins $10.57 USD from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.

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So I wanna know your thoughts about this hand. Obviously I might have been tilting a bit on my previous losses and it looked like a good opportunity to recoup.

I can think of two ways to improve:
1. Maybe try to determine his hand on the flop with a raise and get these kind of drawing hands out. However, at these levels people don't lay down much.
2. Turn should have been fold due to my small investment in the pot.
 
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Yeah your preflop call is a little rough at 4BB, but you stated that.

This is an extremely draw heavy board--even off the flop. Your best chance for info was to raise his lead out to see where you stand (and clear out any diamond chaser behind you).

The turn....give it up. Your drawing dead to a paired board.
 
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re raise that flop, you cant afford to slowplay on a danger board like that, you need to re raise to about $2, you have to be good enoguh to fold on the turn thoguh, 4 to a straight flush = set no good
 
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Pre flop is fine, you are calling just looking to hit a set and you did. Like Switch said you can't afford to slow play your set on such a scary board, you should have re raised and then maybe considered folding if you got raised again, I'm not sure what I would do in that spot.

On the turn though it's a pretty easy fold I think. You are beat by any diamond and your only chance at winning that hand is by filling up on the river, you can wait for a much better spot to get all your chips in.
 
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Get it in on the flop. Fold the turn, your only beating a bluff.

Don't post results, youll get more replies, and some better anyalsis.
 
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The only disadvantage that I see with the raise is that there are still 3 people to act behind me, maybe I was too worried about them having made a hand, but now that I look back this worry was a bit out of proportion.

I was playing this hand over and over again in my head and I think a good idea would be to call the flop and then bet/raise when the turn doesn't help my opponents range (which is draw heavy). This is similar thinking to what I saw in one free video where the advice was to check behind if the range of the opponent has a lot of equity against your hand. Also it would keep the pot smaller giving me a way to get out of the hand (His not folding his aces too lightly).
 
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4 people in the pot? I would totally shove with that scary flop. Easy decision.

Chances are you have the best hand on the flop, and you want to try to chase away people drawing to the flush (and maybe a straight). You also want to punish chasers by giving them improper odds to calls their Ad/face or J/Q (open-ended) or A/T or whatever.

As it turned out, A/A would have called your shove, and you'd have have close to a 2/1 advantage over the guy. Yummy!

When the J came on the turn I'd be done with the hand.
 
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It's been said, just get your money in on that flop. He'd call, and you'd see the same results, but you were ahead, and even after that turn weren't completely dead. My question is if you only called the flop because you were afraid of a made hand, why'd you stack on the turn? You didn't improve and now even more made hands that beat yours is possible.
 
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Ya, as said, you cannot afford to flat call the flop bet on a board like that. Shoving after turn was pointless, because im sure you know you are beat at that stage but it looked like you were saying "i can't believe a diamond came and my set of 9s is no good anymore so i hope to hell he is bluffing".

But since he had AA, the result would have been the same coz he wasn't going to lay the hand down.
 
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Thank you for all your replies, I understand that there are a couple of good ways to play this. I am naturally inclined to slow down on a suited flop, but I should know that the chance that someone flopped a flush is less than 4%.

Now, I think that the two ways of playing this would be either to call the flop and then fold or bet the turn depending on how scary the turn looks or to push the flop. Since this is a cash game you do want to get the money in while your ahead so the secong option might be better for cash games as maybe the first one would be better for tournaments (because of the lower chance of elimination if the opponent gets lucky)....?
 
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They don't call them 'scary flops' for no reason. Against a suited board, I usually find I'm trapping myself on a push, and the Poker Gods only stop by my place to drop off their dirty laundry.

Def a fold on the turn for me.
 
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