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BelgoSuisse

BelgoSuisse

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I guess this is pretty standard on the flop. Should I get worried on turn or am I pot committed anyway?

pokerstars Game #17568176373: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/05/20 - 14:45:04 (ET)
Table 'Indiana III' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: stationbc ($10 in chips)
Seat 2: e30rocks ($21.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Vonci ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 4: HariaKeez ($20.45 in chips)
Seat 5: BelgoSuisse ($8.60 in chips)
Seat 6: BLITZzzz ($15.60 in chips)
Seat 7: mf6gfbrj ($1.70 in chips)
Seat 8: PRG87 ($3.55 in chips)
BLITZzzz: posts small blind $0.05
mf6gfbrj: posts big blind $0.10
BrunoBorelli: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BelgoSuisse [Ah Ad]
PRG87: folds
stationbc: folds
e30rocks: calls $0.10
Vonci: folds
HariaKeez: raises $0.20 to $0.30
BelgoSuisse: raises $0.70 to $1
BLITZzzz: calls $0.95
mf6gfbrj: folds
e30rocks: folds
HariaKeez: calls $0.70
*** FLOP *** [Jc 9h 5c]
BLITZzzz: bets $0.50
HariaKeez: calls $0.50
BelgoSuisse: raises $3.50 to $4
BLITZzzz: calls $3.50
HariaKeez: folds
*** TURN *** [Jc 9h 5c] [Qs]
BLITZzzz: checks
BelgoSuisse: bets $3.60 and is all-in
BLITZzzz: calls $3.60
 
ChuckTs

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Yeah absolutely nothing you can do with a pot that big and so little left in your stack on the turn. With your stack I might consider just shoving flop since plenty of draws will tag along.
 
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Firstly I would say raise more preflop. You only made it 70c more and after the sb called there is no way he's folding for that much. I would say $1.20-$1.50 is a better amount.

Secondly, I don't think you thought about this hand enough on the flop. You just thought, "hmm I have Aces and I have the best hand, end of". That's fair enough, and you're probably right. But you haven't assessed the texture enough which is why I think raising may be not that good a play. I would say that the original bettor probably has a range of AJ-Q9, JJ-99, KTs, QTs, QJs to be leading out on the flop. The caller probably has a similar range, minus the high pairs and AJ.

While its true that the pot is already getting a decent size, I don't think it'd be right to push one pair on this texture board, when you're not that big a favourite (the caller probably has a better % to win than the bettor). Maybe you should wait for the turn and see what pans out, then you can assess whether he has a real big hand or not, and decide whether it is right to move your money in. This would especially be the case if you were deeper. Since you only had 86 bbs it might be OK.

I think shoving into the darkness on the turn was pretty bad. What can you beat? AJ and KJ? Every other hand has you owned! OK so its going to be hard to check fold. But you raised a significant amount on the flop and large amounts were called, so doesn't that tell you he just might have something good? The turn made a lot of draws and also sucked out for two pair, sets etc, and if he didn't beat you with that card, he is getting about the right price to call to hit his card on the river.

Perhaps if you had bought in for the maximum you would not have these pot commitment issues (which is very bad when you have only one pair unless you're at a really weak table). Also, do you see how your small reraise preflop has made the pot about the same size as it would be if you raised a larger amount, only in this case your situation evaluation is much more tricky?

I hope you find this helpful.
 
ChuckTs

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Secondly, I don't think you thought about this hand enough on the flop. You just thought, "hmm I have Aces and I have the best hand, end of". That's fair enough, and you're probably right. But you haven't assessed the texture enough which is why I think raising may be not that good a play. I would say that the original bettor probably has a range of AJ-Q9, JJ-99, KTs, QTs, QJs to be leading out on the flop. The caller probably has a similar range, minus the high pairs and AJ.

While its true that the pot is already getting a decent size, I don't think it'd be right to push one pair on this texture board, when you're not that big a favourite (the caller probably has a better % to win than the bettor). Maybe you should wait for the turn and see what pans out, then you can assess whether he has a real big hand or not, and decide whether it is right to move your money in. This would especially be the case if you were deeper. Since you only had 86 bbs it might be OK.

Board: Jc 9h 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.446% 26.96% 00.48% 26427 472.50 { 99+, AJs, KJs-KTs, Q9s+, AJo, KJo-KTo, Q9o+ }
Hand 1: 72.554% 72.07% 00.48% 70638 472.50 { AdAh }


We're a HUGE favourite on this board. We have to both protect against he draws and make sure no action-killing cards fall either. Raising this flop is standard, especially <100bbs deep when we're not making a big mistake giving off reverse implied odds when we're up against a set.
 
BelgoSuisse

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Board: Jc 9h 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.446% 26.96% 00.48% 26427 472.50 { 99+, AJs, KJs-KTs, Q9s+, AJo, KJo-KTo, Q9o+ }
Hand 1: 72.554% 72.07% 00.48% 70638 472.50 { AdAh }


We're a HUGE favourite on this board. We have to both protect against he draws and make sure no action-killing cards fall either. Raising this flop is standard, especially <100bbs deep when we're not making a big mistake giving off reverse implied odds when we're up against a set.

I agree, it's more likely that villain is drawing than that he has a made hand at this stage, so I need to charge him for that draw.

Also, I don't shove the flop because I want the villain to stay in the hand with bad odds and stack off instead of getting away cheap on the flop.

On the turn I obviously don't like the Q, but I'm pot committed and still need to charge a T that would draw to an oesd.

Turns out villain had queens and gets a set on the turn. :eek:. Does that qualify as a cooler or a bad beat? I pot committed myself with the best hand, but went all in a huge underdog.
 
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feitr

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The only other thing you could have done was shove the flop and raised a little more preflop, but neither would have changed anything. There is not a hand range on earth that you can be behind on the flop and the turn card is irrelevant because you are already committed by the stage.

It's both a cooler and a bad beat imo. Everybody was committed after the flop, you both had overpairs (aka. somewhat of a cooler) and he hit a 2 outer to bad beat you.
 
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