50nl; 66 overfull vs c-bet

ChuckTs

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This is spawning from this thread. Basically I tried to get a specific answer to a general question, and that just lead me to actually posting this hand.

Anyways, villain is a 14/12/4.5 tag after about 250 hands and we don't have much history. I've got similar stats, couldn't tell you exactly what they were on that table, but similar.

Anyways, what's the best line here? I pretty much listed all the pros and cons in that other thread...

Also, how does this change if we've got lots of history with villain? For example, I'm the type of player who will pretty much never raise that flop without a set here. With 88 or even my bluffs (let's say 9Ts for example), I'm usually floating the flop and betting when checked to on the turn, or maybe even checking behind for a cheap showdown (w/88).

If I raise a thinking reg player, basically announcing 66, will he be able to fold overpairs often enough to make slowplaying a better candidate?

I may be thinking too deep here, but I'm preparing to move up in stakes sometime soon and expect to run into a lot more regulars a lot more frequently, so I think I'll have to make some pretty big adjustments...

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed)

CO ($44)
Button ($22.20)
SB ($78.25)
BB ($10)
UTG ($101.20)
UTG+1 ($67.35)
MP1 ($48.25)
Hero ($52.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6
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, 6
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UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, 4 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6
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, 5
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(2 players)
UTG bets $3.25, Hero ...
 
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c9h13no3

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As far as making adjustments for moving up, I can't really offer much, since I play for pretty low stakes. However, if you only raise with a set, I would simply increase the types of hands that I raise with here. I think raising in position with a hand like 88, or 67 is perfectly valid given villain's range. If you're worried about announcing a set because its the only thing you raise with, then start raising more hands on the flop.

As far as extracting value, I'd raise about 3x their bet here 9 out of 10 times. Its gonna be tough to get more value out of unpaired overcards, unless the player is very aggressive (and that's usually an isolated case).

The other parts of their range (77+) are likely going to at least call your raise. So I say fire away.
 
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alan1983

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Youll have to mix it up, as im sure you know. Also, theyll get 2 know u but youll also get to know them, so youll be able to adjust against each player.

If youre going to stay as tight postflop as you are now, then raising should probably be the less frequent option.

My default move here fwiw is calling. I think therell be plenty of chances later to get money from overpairs when theyre more committed. ANd i also think letting overcards potentially catch up is better.

Unless youre extremely tight your call shouldnt automatically raise alarm bells. Im thinking most people would call this bet doubting it hit villain.
 
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jeffred1111

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Unless youre extremely tight your call shouldnt automatically raise alarm bells. Im thinking most people would call this bet doubting it hit villain.

Unless you have a read that he'll fold (75%+) to a turn raise after two-barrelling, calling doesn't make sense if you know villain has nothing (in a bluff situation). Just nitpicking since I agree with the rest of your assesment: you should let reads and image dictate the way you play this since this a very, very, very dry board for villain and we are not concerned about free cards.
 
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switch0723

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its difficult to say without knowing how other people respect your play, but if i put myself in villains shoes and lets say i have pocket q's for example, if you re raise that flop to about 10, id be thinking well you probably dont have a 5, pocket 5's is unlikely, pock 6's maybe but most likely you have an over pair or are trying to re steal a low board, this would incline me to re raise here with pock queens.

However if you flat call that flop, id be more worried than if you raised, since i would be thinking what could you have in your hand that has connected with that flop that doesnt already beat me but is willing to call without odds, (nothing really)

So i think a raise is better since as villain i would be more afraid of a flat call on that board
 
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fwiw I often opt for the faster line in spots like these, and I did here too. I raise, he tanks, he shoves AA, I call, I win.

Again I agree it's completely situation-dependent. Always fun trying to find out how to make the most money when you're holding near-unbeatable hands though :)
 
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