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red_dawn_28

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Hero $400
2 callers behind me have me covered

Dealt to Hero As, Ks
1 fold
EP1 raises to $25 - Relatively tight player but I did not read him to be too strong, maybe a small PP
Hero raises to $60 – I do this to isolate and gain initiative in the hand
MP1 calls $60.
MP2 calls $60.
EP1 folds.
Pot = $212
*** FLOP *** Js, 10s, 8h
I bet $125 – first and foremost a c-bet but also I have a monster draw. I am basically committing myself to the hand.
MP1 goes all in
MP2 goes all in
Hero??

At this point there is effectively $1,017 that I can win so I’m getting 4.7:1. Even if one has a set I’m about 2:1. I think everyone knows my action but I’m just wondering if there is any way people would have played this differently. Did I raise too much PF? Should I have checked the flop? Looking back, if I would have checked the flop I would have had to call $340 to win $892 which is much less favorable odds of 2.6:1.
 
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Raise more preflop. You only popped it up to $60 giving the first raiser 2.6:1 which is way too good. I would have popped it up from $75 to like $90.

As played pf, postflop was fine and I hope you called :)
 
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PF: reraise to about 80-90.

I think open pushing the flop is best. The pot is 212 and you have 340 left. Obviously with 11 pure outs (can't count the 8s), you have great equity and want to put the pressure on your opponents. A decent bet will be near the pot or over half your stack which means that you're obviously committed to the hand, so take advantage of any fold equity and push.
 
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I might have checked flop. That's a juicy flop, and even though you hit a big draw, there's a strong chance with two callers and a reraise preflop that you don't have the best chance of winning. Even so, the result would've likely been the same, because it doesn't make sense to fold even in the worst case scenario. 2.6:1 is less favorable, but it's still a no-brainer all-in call with the nut flush and straight draws.

In other words, I'd avoid getting all-in, but I'd do it without hesitation if I have to.
 
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By calling instead of betting the flop you give up fold equity. The pot is already big, so take it down.
 
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One of the easiest auto-calls post-flop that you'll run into.

To be quite honest if you're asking if you raised too much pre-flop you shouldn't be playing a 2-5 cash game.

Brick and mortar games play a lot looser than online so re-popping to something like $100 is more optimal.

You bought the button pre-flop and you have a monster draw so betting at the flop is correct.
 
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I might have checked flop. That's a juicy flop, and even though you hit a big draw, there's a strong chance with two callers and a reraise preflop that you don't have the best chance of winning. Even so, the result would've likely been the same, because it doesn't make sense to fold even in the worst case scenario. 2.6:1 is less favorable, but it's still a no-brainer all-in call with the nut flush and straight draws.

In other words, I'd avoid getting all-in, but I'd do it without hesitation if I have to.
What? lol.

So you'd check this flop and risk something like another Jack or Ten falling and causing you to fold a monster if one of your opponents bets out?

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. Did you perhaps misread the OP and no notice he was the re-raiser?
 
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i would of played the same, except bigger pre flop riase, did you hit ?
 
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You've got 12 clean outs (one super-clean out lol), but it's possible one of your opponents has a redraw to the full house. Either way, the odds of hitting a straight or flush and the board not pairing in the next 2 cards is better than 2 to 1, which without any of the money in preflop would be enough to call. This is an easy call, even if one villain shows us the set.
 
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MP1 had a set of Tens, and MP2 had 79 (the persian carpet ride for you antonio esfandiari fans) for a flopped str8. the board paired on the river but the flush and straight did not hit for me anyway. thanks for the feedback. I think reraising to $100 preflop is a little extreme, especially given that so far there is just one guy in the hand and only a few more left to act. i mean we have a drawing hand that we want to see a flop with. this is not 99 where we're very happy to win PF.
 
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If raising to $100 is 'extreme', then raising to $60 is 'extremely soft'.

Don't get caught up in these nonsense poker sayings like 'AK is a drawing hand after all'. What does that even mean?

We deal with equity in poker, and your hand has lots of it. I don't think raising to $100 is standard (I like ~$75-$90), but we have a strong hand with great equity, and we want to build the pot preflop.

As played postflop it's a stack everytime. I like open shoving the flop though - if you're betting that $125 with the intention of calling a shove, you should just be open shoving anyways for fold equity.
 
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