$25NL: OESD w/KKT on flop

NineLions

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CO is 75/0/1.2 over 12 hands or so, SB is 19/7/1.5 over 35.

SB is one of the players at the table I suspected of getting tired of my raising, but it's been a tight/weakish table.


pokerstars Game #15499684793: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/23 - 16:55:39 (ET)
Table 'Tilia' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: lsrft ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 2: marbru7 ($20.85 in chips)
Seat 3: orescheo ($11.80 in chips)
Seat 4: eazycheazy ($21.20 in chips)
Seat 5: nablo77 ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Ninelions ($23.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Carletheman ($28.70 in chips)
Seat 8: asubeaver ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: DonQuiChatte ($4.65 in chips)
Carletheman: posts small blind $0.10
asubeaver: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ninelions [Qd Js]
DonQuiChatte: folds
lsrft: folds
marbru7: folds
orescheo: folds
eazycheazy: folds
nablo77: calls $0.25
Ninelions: calls $0.25 --- because I'd been raising I opted to just call


Carletheman: calls $0.15
asubeaver: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd Kh Ts]
Carletheman: checks
asubeaver: checks
nablo77: checks
Ninelions: bets $0.75
Carletheman: folds
asubeaver: raises $1.25 to $2
nablo77: calls $2
Ninelions: ???


Has someone slowplayed a K? asubeaver may be just testing to see if I was positional stealing.

Call/raise/fold?
 
Munchrs

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Call you are getting good odds on your money.

i fsomeone has a FH then tough beat. More likely that the have something like K5o...
 
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Fold this all day long imo, we don't even know if our outs are live here. You have 2 weak, passive players, one of which has c/r your bet and the other flat calls. Villains will be limping with a lot of broadway stuff here that include KQ,KJ,KT hell there that passive they could even have AK.
 
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Fold this all day long imo, we don't even know if our outs are live here. You have 2 weak, passive players, one of which has c/r your bet and the other flat calls. Villains will be limping with a lot of broadway stuff here that include KQ,KJ,KT hell there that passive they could even have AK.

But I still think that when you hit your straight you will get payed of by someone with a King enough time to counter the times you get it in against a FH.
 
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But I still think that when you hit your straight you will get payed of by someone with a King enough time to counter the times you get it in against a FH.

I agree with munchrs, your getting huge implied odds here aswell and will be paid off by trips enough to counteract the times you lose to a fh. You have to imagine your ace is live sicne surely a,k raises pre flop. So you just have to avoid k,t and k,9. I call here all day
 
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Agreed were getting good p/o as well as implied. Min raises though stink to me, I doubt whether there bluffs here, and to me he's just looking to keep customers priced in.
 
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Jagsti is right. The odds are good only if you he has something like top pr. If ur certain at least 1 of them has a set ur in trouble. Just let it go while u r only into the pot for a dollar. Wait for a better oppty.
 
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Agreed were getting good p/o as well as implied. Min raises though stink to me, I doubt whether there bluffs here, and to me he's just looking to keep customers priced in.

Surely if villian has any King he is looking to get as much money in as possible so will be value betting his hand the whole way.

I agree with villian very rarely bluffing this board.
 
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All pretty valid thoughts IMO, and much of it went through my head before stabbing at the flop. My first thought had been check, and after seeing the action I realized that's what I should have done. The bet lost only one player and now the pot is bigger, and if I don't hit, a K is not folding.

Min-raises are the bane of my poker experience. I usually only use them to price people in post flop or shorthanded when the blinds are high in a tourney, but I know that other people don't view them the same.


Now, instead of filling, I pair putting me ahead of a ten but giving AQ/Q9 (would have been a gutshot on the flop) the straight. Flop minraiser checks, short stack bets.



POKERSTARS GAME #15499684793: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/23 - 16:55:39 (ET)
Table 'Tilia' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: lsrft ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 2: marbru7 ($20.85 in chips)
Seat 3: orescheo ($11.80 in chips)
Seat 4: eazycheazy ($21.20 in chips)
Seat 5: nablo77 ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Ninelions ($23.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Carletheman ($28.70 in chips)
Seat 8: asubeaver ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: DonQuiChatte ($4.65 in chips)
Carletheman: posts small blind $0.10
asubeaver: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ninelions [Qd Js]
DonQuiChatte: folds
lsrft: folds
marbru7: folds
orescheo: folds
eazycheazy: folds
nablo77: calls $0.25
Ninelions: calls $0.25
Carletheman: calls $0.15
asubeaver: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd Kh Ts]
Carletheman: checks
asubeaver: checks
nablo77: checks
Ninelions: bets $0.75
Carletheman: folds
asubeaver: raises $1.25 to $2
nablo77: calls $2
Ninelions: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [Kd Kh Ts] J♦
asubeaver: checks
nablo77: bets $2.50
Ninelions: :confused:
 
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There's probably 2 reason why he's min raising here, he has a boat and he wants to get paid off, but he doesn't want to scare anyone off who's drawing. Or he's not really a thinking player and he's playing his trips badly, therefore allowing others to be priced in. If we think it's the latter then there's justification in the call. God knows what the 75/0 has, and thats another complication.
 
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complicated turn. wa/wb?

What are we way ahead of that takes this line exactly? I think we are in a wb/wb situation. I lay this down now since we are behind a larger range of cards and no longer have the implied odds, as once we hit our straight there will be 4 to a straight on board, so we want be paid off by rag kings, only by made fh's. We now also have to be wary of flush draws, so if we call and so does other villain, and the 9 of diamonds hits river, what then?

We are now also drawing to what may be a split of the pot. I lay this down now
 
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TBH the only hand I can think of is AT.

I agree with you switch, your reasoning is sound.
 
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