$25NL AQ on scary board.

Munchrs

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MP is 25/2/1 over 30 hands, No reads on BB. I have been playing TAG.

poker stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $5.05
UTG: $24.95
MP: $14.15
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $11.80
SB: $24.25
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with :Qs: :Ah:
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1, MP calls $1
Flop: ($5.10) :Qh: :Ks: :Kc: (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero...


Whats our line here?
Do we check behind and bet out on a blank turn or is betting 1/2-3/4 pot better?
What do we do if we bet on the flop and ger raised?
Whats our line on the turn if we bet flop and get called by MP?
How does our turn line change if we bet and get called by BB?
 
Emperor IX

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You seem to be forgetting the button ;)

I'll leave this one for the ringers though.
 
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Tough one.

Thee other people in that pot? Ick. Someone could easily be slow playing.

If it was me, I'd take a stab at it. If anybody fought back I'd fold.

If you bet, someone will cold call and the turn will be a J, to really mess with your mind.
 
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If it was me, I'd take a stab at it. If anybody fought back I'd fold.

hmm exactly what my thoughts at the time where.

Now though I think its more of a wa/wb situation, so check/calling or check/folding may be a better line.
 
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hmm exactly what my thoughts at the time where.

Now though I think its more of a wa/wb situation, so check/calling or check/folding may be a better line.

Mainly it is wa/wb but there's a much larger chance of it being wb. However, I kind of like betting to see where you stand, because you know that the button is going to bet regardless, and he's likely to follow it up with another one. Kind of a blocking bet if you would.

When I play 10nl I essentially give this hand up after a bet since I'm playing for big pots, I'm not use to ring games though.
 
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Mainly it is wa/wb but there's a much larger chance of it being wb. However, I kind of like betting to see where you stand, because you know that the button is going to bet regardless, and he's likely to follow it up with another one. Kind of a blocking bet if you would.

Makes perfect sense. The block bet alows me to get away when im behind cheaply and i win a small pot when im ahead.

What type of bet size should I aim for? 1/3 pot?
 
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This is pretty much a wa/wb spot if you look at each individual opponent's range of hands, but collectively this should be a bet.

The more people that are in the pot, the more likely it is that you're behind & the more likely you'll get outdrawn, so you should be c-betting more frequently for obvious reasons. The more players you have in the pot with you, the more outs you are up against - I can see a few situations where you're up against a semi-strong draw (~8 outs).

So here, I'm betting to mostly take the pot down right now. If I get called I probably check most turns for pot control and depending on the river and the action, usually go for a cheap showdown. If my flop bet gets raised I'm done with the hand.

If this is heads up I'm playing it as a standard wa/wb.
 
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I thought about this one some more, going more of a math route.
Like ChuckT said, you're either way ahead or way behind (wa/wb).

47 unknown cards, two of them being Kings. 2/47, or about 1/24 that any one card will be a King.
There are three other players so there's about a 6/24 chance. That's about a 1/4 chance of someone holding a King, and actually it's going to be worse than that because all the action would indicate better than average hole cards.

With $5.10 up for grabs and better than a 50/50 shot at being the best hand I'd be comfortable make a nice bet at the pot.

Also, the odds of someone having the third king are equal to the odds of someone having a Q, and if they have a Q they probably have a worse kicker.

The more I think about it, the more confident I am that betting is the proper move.
 
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This is pretty much a wa/wb spot if you look at each individual opponent's range of hands, but collectively this should be a bet.

The more people that are in the pot, the more likely it is that you're behind & the more likely you'll get outdrawn, so you should be c-betting more frequently for obvious reasons. The more players you have in the pot with you, the more outs you are up against - I can see a few situations where you're up against a semi-strong draw (~8 outs).

So here, I'm betting to mostly take the pot down right now. If I get called I probably check most turns for pot control and depending on the river and the action, usually go for a cheap showdown. If my flop bet gets raised I'm done with the hand.

If this is heads up I'm playing it as a standard wa/wb.

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