$25 nl AK vs calling stations

Zorba

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sorry about the title of this but im still new to posting hands here, I entered this table with the max $25 and I had been folding every thing almost so my table image should have come across as tight, and these guys were calling all the way with rubbish.
What I need to know is what would you guys do in this situation, I will post the rest after a few responses.
Stacks: - marclem8 with $16.60 - goodfella897 with $14.40 - grassmoney with $9.85 - rufythedufy with $4.75 - slick0330 with $10.50 - Vjpgolf with $20.60 - HIKERBOY with $13.75 - Dstape1989 with $30.60 - xxxKissMyxxx with $9.80

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: pokerstars
Dealt to xxxKissMyxxx:
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* - Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
* - rufythedufy calls [$0.25]
* - slick0330 calls [$0.25]
* - vjpgolf calls [$0.25]
**- 2 players fold.
xxxkissmyxxx raises $0.75 to $1
**- 2 players fold.
* - grassmoney raises $0.75 to $1.75
**- 1 players fold.
* - slick0330 calls [$1.50]
* - vjpgolf calls [$1.50] xxxkissmyxxx calls [$0.75]
* - Total folds this street: 5
* - Potsize: $7.35
Flop:
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* - grassmoney: checks
* - slick0330: checks
* - vjpgolf bets [$1]

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NineLions

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First off, proper raise after 3 limpers would be 3-4 BB + 1 for each limper, so to 1.50-1.75, otherwise you give the limpers too good of odds to call, especially with a hand like AK that likes fewer hands.

BB does you a favor by reraising. You've got a weak lead at your TPTK, flush draw flop, but you've only got the pot left in your stack. Shove it in.
 
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I agree with Ninelions one more thing though. You should have considered shoving preflop, why? Because if you shove you'll likely be in a coinflip against grassmoney with a lot of dead money in the pot. Slick and vjp both limped and then just called both raises, they had two chances to raise but they didn't so this is a good tell that they are very unlikely to call if you or grassmoney shoves.
 
Zorba

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here is the complete hand,
I did consider the AIPF but I wanted to see the flop before reacting.
As it turned out it didnt matter what I did.

Stacks: - marclem8 with $16.60 - goodfella897 with $14.40 - grassmoney with $9.85 - rufythedufy with $4.75 - slick0330 with $10.50 - Vjpgolf with $20.60 - HIKERBOY with $13.75 - Dstape1989 with $30.60 - xxxKissMyxxx with $9.80



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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to xxxKissMyxxx:
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:ah4:
- Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
- rufythedufy calls [$0.25]
- slick0330 calls [$0.25]
- vjpgolf calls [$0.25]
- 2 players fold.
xxxkissmyxxx raises $0.75 to $1
- 2 players fold.
- grassmoney raises $0.75 to $1.75
- 1 players fold.
- slick0330 calls [$1.50]
- vjpgolf calls [$1.50] xxxkissmyxxx calls [$0.75]
- Total folds this street: 5
- Potsize: $7.35
Flop:
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- grassmoney: checks
- slick0330: checks
- vjpgolf bets [$1] xxxkissmyxxx raises $7.05 to $8.05 [ all-in ]
- 2 players fold.
- vjpgolf calls [$7.05]
- Total folds this street: 2
- Potsize: $23.45
Turn:
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- Potsize: $23.45
River:
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Results:
- Vjpgolf shows three of a kind, Tens:
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- xxxKissMyxxx shows two pair, Kings and Tens:
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- Vjpgolf collected $22.30 from pot
 
WVHillbilly

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" As it turned out it didnt matter what I did."

I disagree. Had you raised more initially or went all-in preflop 10 6 soooted is folding. You really need to punish limpers at these loose, limpy tables. I generally raise 4x+1 per limper. So $1.75 here.
 
Zorba

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Thanks for the feedback Hillbilly,
I understand what you are saying here and normally i would agree with you but these guys were going to SD with rubbish almost every hand, (I suppose thats even more reason to go AIPF come to think of it) I thought the shove would have scared them off as it was my first real bet, before that the most I had done was call the BB to see the flop then fold.
 
SeanyJ

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The idiots at this level who are calling down with anything won't even take notice of how tight you are playing.
 
Jillychemung

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Thanks for the feedback Hillbilly,
I understand what you are saying here and normally i would agree with you but these guys were going to SD with rubbish almost every hand, (I suppose thats even more reason to go AIPF come to think of it) I thought the shove would have scared them off as it was my first real bet, before that the most I had done was call the BB to see the flop then fold.


Making them scared of you, all the more reason to go AI. I'd be drooling for such a limpy table as it opens up so many possibilities to win big pots. Easy to slow play the nuts and get a good payoff for it, easy to make value bets, easy to get paid off big on semi-bluffs that hit.
 
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This hand was played terribly for the parts I read (pre-flop and flop). Why aren't you potting this action pre-flop? Why are you betting $1 on a draw heavy flop?

Ugh. You really need to step it up.

If the game is full of calling stations then you want to ramp it up pre-flop with your big cards. The only time you should be passive is with your suited connectors that can make big hands.

Something like AK isn't good to play in multi-way pots against jackasses who will call with any two. It's a surefire way to lose a big pot at some point.
 
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This hand was played terribly for the parts I read (pre-flop and flop). Why aren't you potting this action pre-flop? Why are you betting $1 on a draw heavy flop?

Ugh. You really need to step it up.

The only real mistake zorba made was not raising more pf.

He didn't lead the flop, the T6s player did, and zorba shoved.

I just want to echo the raise more pf argument and say that postflop is absolutely standard.
 
Zorba

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The reason of the smallish pf bet was i did not want to over commit as this was my total BR
Thank you all I'm getting there, a little while ago this would have been a limp in for me.
 
Zorba

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This hand was played terribly for the parts I read (pre-flop and flop). Why aren't you potting this action pre-flop? Why are you betting $1 on a draw heavy flop?
I was all-in on the flop.
 
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I was all-in on the flop.
Someone else already corrected me on that.

You probably shouldn't put your entire bankroll on one table even if it is only $25 because it will lead to things like not playing properly.
 
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