.25/.50 NLHE Hand

SeanyJ

SeanyJ

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pokerstars Game #11695264933: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/08/26 - 01:03:04 (ET)
Table 'Circinus II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: laststand77 ($53.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Cigar001 ($86.75 in chips)
Seat 3: AARaiderAA ($28 in chips)
Seat 4: Woodygmoney ($30.90 in chips)
Seat 5: acecatcher26 ($12.75 in chips)
Seat 6: callyadown ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 7: DangIFold ($67.05 in chips)
Seat 8: Rutterkin ($55.45 in chips)
Seat 9: kpmaxpo ($47.65 in chips)
acecatcher26: posts small blind $0.25
callyadown: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cigar001 [9h 9d]
DangIFold: folds
Rutterkin: calls $0.50
kpmaxpo: raises $1.50 to $2
laststand77: folds
Cigar001: calls $2
AARaiderAA: folds
Woodygmoney: calls $2
acecatcher26: folds
callyadown: folds
Rutterkin: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [2h Tc 9c]
Rutterkin: bets $1.50
kpmaxpo: calls $1.50
Cigar001: raises $3.50 to $5
Woodygmoney: folds
Rutterkin: calls $3.50
kpmaxpo: calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [2h Tc 9c] [8s]
Rutterkin: checks
kpmaxpo: bets $11
Cigar001: raises $14 to $25
Rutterkin: folds
kpmaxpo: raises $15.65 to $40.65 and is all-in


So do you make the call here?

Here are some stats for the other player, I should have included them originally.

87 hands
VP$IP% - 19%
PFR - 15%
Agression Factor - 3.60
WSD% - 3%
WSDW% - 67%
 
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Emperor IX

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Call. I think he has AA or KK, the only hands your trailing here are not ones I'd expect him to have without reads. A set is possible, but very improbable. He could have JJ for the open ender, which I could see doing this. Ah without reads I can't say much more than that :-/
 
SeanyJ

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I added some stats that I have from Holdem Indicator to my post, hope those help a bit!
 
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broncos53

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you have to call here you already have 30 dollars in only 15 more to call very suprised if he has straight but with a better and a caller after flop i would have probally raise to more than 3.50 maybe 7 or 8 thats just me :/
 
winneronline

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Raise more on the flop. A lot of draws out there and if he has an overpair he goes nowhere.
 
SeanyJ

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I called and he flipped over JQ for the straight, I guess a bigger re-raise on the flop could have gotten him off his draw, oh well lesson learned.
 
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I called and he flipped over JQ for the straight, I guess a bigger re-raise on the flop could have gotten him off his draw, oh well lesson learned.

It's not that a bigger raise would have gotten him off his draw, it's that a bigger raise would have charged him sufficiently for the opportunity to draw out on you.

If you raise to $14 on the flop and he calls (which he will) 5 times out of 6 he will miss his draw. Now he will have put in $16 in the pot (1/3 of his stack) and may feel obligated to put the rest in on the turn as a 5:1 dog

On the other hand, if he makes his draw on the turn and stacks you, he will have spent $12.5 (he already put in $1.5) for the chance to get the $25 already in the pot + the $34 he has left or $59. So he is getting 4.5:1 implied odds as a 5:1 dog and is making a mistake by calling. Your profit comes from that mistake.

The bottom line is that you WANT him to call a big raise on the flop (and you WANT your opponents to chase draws generally) because most of the time they will miss, which over the long run will more than compensate for the times they hit, as long as you bet size properly.
 
stormswa

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It's not that a bigger raise would have gotten him off his draw, it's that a bigger raise would have charged him sufficiently for the opportunity to draw out on you.

If you raise to $14 on the flop and he calls (which he will) 5 times out of 6 he will miss his draw. Now he will have put in $16 in the pot (1/3 of his stack) and may feel obligated to put the rest in on the turn as a 5:1 dog

On the other hand, if he makes his draw on the turn and stacks you, he will have spent $12.5 (he already put in $1.5) for the chance to get the $25 already in the pot + the $34 he has left or $59. So he is getting 4.5:1 implied odds as a 5:1 dog and is making a mistake by calling. Your profit comes from that mistake.

The bottom line is that you WANT him to call a big raise on the flop (and you WANT your opponents to chase draws generally) because most of the time they will miss, which over the long run will more than compensate for the times they hit, as long as you bet size properly.


TY TY TY TY TY,

im just glad I didnt have to be the one to type this up this time. Cheers! :star:
 
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Seneku

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It's not that a bigger raise would have gotten him off his draw, it's that a bigger raise would have charged him sufficiently for the opportunity to draw out on you.

If you raise to $14 on the flop and he calls (which he will) 5 times out of 6 he will miss his draw. Now he will have put in $16 in the pot (1/3 of his stack) and may feel obligated to put the rest in on the turn as a 5:1 dog

On the other hand, if he makes his draw on the turn and stacks you, he will have spent $12.5 (he already put in $1.5) for the chance to get the $25 already in the pot + the $34 he has left or $59. So he is getting 4.5:1 implied odds as a 5:1 dog and is making a mistake by calling. Your profit comes from that mistake.

The bottom line is that you WANT him to call a big raise on the flop (and you WANT your opponents to chase draws generally) because most of the time they will miss, which over the long run will more than compensate for the times they hit, as long as you bet size properly.

I think it can be a bit less, because you still have the redraw to the full boat if he hits his straight. Agree with the rest of course :D
 
SeanyJ

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It's not that a bigger raise would have gotten him off his draw, it's that a bigger raise would have charged him sufficiently for the opportunity to draw out on you.

If you raise to $14 on the flop and he calls (which he will) 5 times out of 6 he will miss his draw. Now he will have put in $16 in the pot (1/3 of his stack) and may feel obligated to put the rest in on the turn as a 5:1 dog

On the other hand, if he makes his draw on the turn and stacks you, he will have spent $12.5 (he already put in $1.5) for the chance to get the $25 already in the pot + the $34 he has left or $59. So he is getting 4.5:1 implied odds as a 5:1 dog and is making a mistake by calling. Your profit comes from that mistake.

The bottom line is that you WANT him to call a big raise on the flop (and you WANT your opponents to chase draws generally) because most of the time they will miss, which over the long run will more than compensate for the times they hit, as long as you bet size properly.

That makes sense, thanks for taking the time to explain it!
 
GiveUpFishy

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the flop raise was fine you just got unlucky...
it looks to me like this guy was counting his overcards as outs since he had just a measly gutshot so if a J or Q comes u got him..
nothing much you can do here ..
 
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