2 pair on a heart board

tonymaclennan

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pokerstars Game #10803227061: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/07/06 - 18:19:43 (ET)
Table 'Phaedra II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: NvrSayDye ($1.70 in chips)
Seat 2: crouks ($4 in chips)
Seat 4: gandalf97 ($9.92 in chips)
Seat 5: karoshiman ($6.07 in chips)
Seat 6: MasterKovacs ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 7: rext ($2.58 in chips)
Seat 8: tonymaclenna ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 9: patpot ($9.92 in chips)
NvrSayDye: posts small blind $0.02
crouks: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tonymaclenna [Ad 9s]
gandalf97: calls $0.05
karoshiman: folds
MasterKovacs: folds
rext: folds
tonymaclenna: calls $0.05
patpot: folds
NvrSayDye: folds
crouks: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 9h Ah]
crouks: checks
gandalf97: checks
tonymaclenna: checks
*** TURN *** [4h 9h Ah] [3h]
crouks: bets $0.10
gandalf97: folds
tonymaclenna: calls $0.10
*** RIVER *** [4h 9h Ah 3h] [3d]
crouks: bets $0.10
tonymaclenna: calls $0.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
crouks: shows [Th Qs] (a flush, Ace high)
tonymaclenna: shows [Ad 9s] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
crouks collected $0.57 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.57 | Rake $0
Board [4h 9h Ah 3h 3d]
Seat 1: NvrSayDye (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: crouks (big blind) showed [Th Qs] and won ($0.57) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: gandalf97 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: karoshiman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MasterKovacs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rext folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tonymaclenna showed [Ad 9s] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 9: patpot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Please tell me how I should have played this based on all of the hearts...

I didnt wanna bet the flop incase somebody chases the flush with a good diamond card! And called it down because there is that slight chance he doesn't have a heart!
 
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PokerStars Game #10803227061: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/07/06 - 18:19:43 (ET)
Table 'Phaedra II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: NvrSayDye ($1.70 in chips)
Seat 2: crouks ($4 in chips)
Seat 4: gandalf97 ($9.92 in chips)
Seat 5: karoshiman ($6.07 in chips)
Seat 6: MasterKovacs ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 7: rext ($2.58 in chips)
Seat 8: tonymaclenna ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 9: patpot ($9.92 in chips)
NvrSayDye: posts small blind $0.02
crouks: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tonymaclenna [Ad 9s]
gandalf97: calls $0.05
karoshiman: folds
MasterKovacs: folds
rext: folds
tonymaclenna: calls $0.05
patpot: folds
NvrSayDye: folds
crouks: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 9h Ah]
crouks: checks
gandalf97: checks
tonymaclenna: checks NO! Are you crazy?!! Checking only gives your opponent a free card to chase the flush. I would rather take the pot right then and there with a minimum $1 bet.
*** TURN *** [4h 9h Ah] 3♥
crouks: bets $0.10
gandalf97: folds
tonymaclenna: calls $0.10 I would raise here. He might have the flush but calling his bet is not going to tell you anything about his hand.
*** RIVER *** [4h 9h Ah 3h] 3♦
crouks: bets $0.10
tonymaclenna: calls $0.10 You might as well call him down here.
*** SHOW DOWN ***
crouks: shows [Th Qs] (a flush, Ace high)
tonymaclenna: shows [Ad 9s] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
crouks collected $0.57 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.57 | Rake $0
Board [4h 9h Ah 3h 3d]
Seat 1: NvrSayDye (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: crouks (big blind) showed [Th Qs] and won ($0.57) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: gandalf97 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: karoshiman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MasterKovacs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rext folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tonymaclenna showed [Ad 9s] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 9: patpot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Please tell me how I should have played this based on all of the hearts...

I didnt wanna bet the flop incase somebody chases the flush with a good diamond card! How can you chase the flush with a good diamod card when the flop is all hearts? Why do you want them to chase the flush when it beats your two pair. When you have a good hand with draws on the flop. You bet. And called it down because there is that slight chance he doesn't have a heart! Why not know for sure by raising?

Tip: Slowplaying top two pair with flush draws on the flop is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
tonymaclennan

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How can you chase the flush with a good diamod card when the flop is all hearts?
Mis-type here :)

I checked on the flop because if they called down to chase then I am just throwing money away - thanks for the advice, it makes more sense and I will bear what you said in mind in the future. I wouldn't usually check with 2 pair on a flush draw - its the fact a flush is already possible and anybody with a high heart may chase.
 
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Mis-type here :)

I checked on the flop because if they called down to chase then I am just throwing money away - thanks for the advice, it makes more sense and I will bear what you said in mind in the future. I wouldn't usually check with 2 pair on a flush draw - its the fact a flush is already possible and anybody with a high heart may chase.


Umm, the way you win money is to give people improper odds to outdraw on you. Bet, give him improper odds and hope he calls with a flush draw, this more profitable for you in the long run. If you are afraid of people outdrawing on you, u will never win anything.
 
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I didnt wanna bet the flop incase somebody chases the flush with a good diamond card!

...so you check while you're still pretty sure you're ahead, then put money in when the fourth flush card hits?

Mis-type here :)

I checked on the flop because if they called down to chase then I am just throwing money away - thanks for the advice, it makes more sense and I will bear what you said in mind in the future. I wouldn't usually check with 2 pair on a flush draw - its the fact a flush is already possible and anybody with a high heart may chase.

Being so afraid of someone chasing a draw that you decide not to bet is...ridiculous. Bet when you're ahead and deny proper drawing odds (like 0:1, ie a free card).

Lead out for a solid 2/3 of the pot or more, and reevaluate if a fourth flush card hits. Not betting that flop is really, really bad.
 
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And if you bet enough, he could've decided his flush wasn't good and you had the J, Q, or K of hearts.
 
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