$2 NLHE 6-max: 2 NLHE: calling a shove on the turn 3-way pot

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888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
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kitty3913 (UTG): $2.23 (112 bb)
marou00 (CO): $2.10 (105 bb)
jetson00000 (BU): $1.89 (95 bb)
Pokerstars19 (SB): $1.48 (74 bb)
yael141201 (BB): $2.89 (145 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero (yael141201) is BB with 7 K
1 fold, marou00 (CO) calls $0.02, jetson00000 (BU) calls $0.02, Pokerstars19 (SB) calls $0.01, yael141201 (BB) checks

Flop: ($0.08) 6 K 5 (4 players)
Pokerstars19 (SB) checks, yael141201 (BB) checks, marou00 (CO) checks, jetson00000 (BU) checks

Turn: ($0.08) 7 (4 players)
Pokerstars19 (SB) checks, yael141201 (BB) bets $0.04, marou00 (CO) folds, jetson00000 (BU) calls $0.04, Pokerstars19 (SB) calls $0.04

River: ($0.20) 8 (3 players)
Pokerstars19 (SB) bets $1.42 (all-in), yael141201 (BB) raises to $2.83 (all-in), jetson00000 (BU) calls $1.83 (all-in)

Total pot: $5.28 (Rake: $0.33)

Showdown:
yael141201 (BB) shows 7 K (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 44%, Flop: 63%, Turn: 79%, River: 0%)

Pokerstars19 (SB) shows 9 Q (a straight, Five to Nine)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 35%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

jetson00000 (BU) shows T 9 (a straight, Six to Ten)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 22%, Flop: 3%, Turn: 7%, River: 100%)

jetson00000 (BU) wins $4.95:jd4:
 
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Bet on the flop. Bet more on the turn since there are flush and straight draws.
 
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Preflop
No point in raising with a ragged K, so I am totally onboard with knocking your option and seeing a flop for free.

Flop
Still kind of the same story. You flopped top pair no kicker in a 4-way pot. This is not a situation, where I want to play a huge pot, so totally fine checking it and getting one step closer to showdown. If someone draws out on you, that is fine. You invested nothing in the situation, so you have nothing to lose, and your hand is not strong enough to warrant "protection".

Turn
Now you have two pair, nice! Totally on board with betting now, but I would probably go a bit larger. Its a very wet board and a small pot, so make them pay to draw. 6c or even 7c into the 8c pot would be fine.

River
Now there is a 1-liner to a straight. Every hand with a 9 or 3 in it has a straight. SB goes all in for 7 times the pot, and you have an extremely easy fold. Hand strength is relative, so it does not matter at all, that you have two pair, when a million different hands have a straight. Maybe you can call, if he makes a min-bet of 2c or something, but not when he overbet. You also have someone left to act behind you, who could also easily have a 9 or 3.
 
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I agree 100% with what fundiver says.

You played pretty fine till the river, although you should bet a bit larger on the turn because you already missed a bet on the flop (checking the flop was the right decision) and the board is very wet.
Around 6 to 8c would have been a better bet. but it doesn't really matter in front of your river decision, which is a big mistake.
We have a 4way (3way at the river) limped tiny pot which went passive to the river where only one card can make a straight and the first player shoves for 1.42$ on that 20c pot and there is still one to act after you.
You should even consider to fold a 9 here, just because it doesn't really worth the risk for that 20c pot.
 
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You should even consider to fold a 9 here, just because it doesn't really worth the risk for that 20c pot.

That is actually a good point. Even 9x is not the nuts here. The nuts is T9, and if we call with 9X, we are essentially calling for a chopper. This mean, we are calling 1,42$ to win 10c. But then comes the rake, which for a pot of 3,04$ is going to be 15c on most poker sites. On 888 Poker its actually even more, which mean, we are not even winning anything at all, when we chop.

I would probably still call with 9X though. T9 was only a gutshot on the turn, so it is at least somewhat unlikely, and you typically also need to add at least 5-10% randomness to a bad players range. Like for instance him jamming 4X, because he does not understand his relative hand strength.
 
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On the turn, I would make a bet in the amount of the pot, because we are playing against 3 and there is a flush draw on the board and someone may already have a ready straight (there are a lot of draw hands in the opp range). On the river comes 8, which gives the street a lot of hands, besides we are hit by a large number of hands: K8, KK (unlikely), sets. So I would fold
 
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Hello, I agree with t1riel. I also prefer bet on the flop with top pair than check, because of flush draws. In micro limit when players limp pre flop hands, it often means that they have weak hand. So I think that with top pair on the flop is better play bet for about 50% of the pot. On the turn you caught second pair so obligatorily you have to bet the turn from the same reason - flush draw. If you bet on the flop, I think that one player will be fold his weak hand with air. On the river straight is very possible here. As played on the river, I think we have to give up our two pair and we have to fold. Opponent from the small blind played overbet all in and I usually believe that he has something strong.
 
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How do we play our entire range from the Big Blind?

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
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kitty3913 (UTG): $2.23 (112 bb)
marou00 (CO): $2.10 (105 bb)
jetson00000 (BU): $1.89 (95 bb)
Pokerstars19 (SB): $1.48 (74 bb)
yael141201 (BB): $2.89 (145 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero (yael141201) is BB with 7 K
1 fold, marou00 (CO) calls $0.02, jetson00000 (BU) calls $0.02, Pokerstars19 (SB) calls $0.01, yael141201 (BB) checks

Flop: ($0.08) 6 K 5 (4 players)
Pokerstars19 (SB) checks, yael141201 (BB) checks, marou00 (CO) checks, jetson00000 (BU) checks

Turn: ($0.08) 7 (4 players)
Pokerstars19 (SB) checks, yael141201 (BB) bets $0.04, marou00 (CO) folds, jetson00000 (BU) calls $0.04, Pokerstars19 (SB) calls $0.04

River: ($0.20) 8 (3 players)
Pokerstars19 (SB) bets $1.42 (all-in), yael141201 (BB) raises to $2.83 (all-in), jetson00000 (BU) calls $1.83 (all-in)

Total pot: $5.28 (Rake: $0.33)

Showdown:
yael141201 (BB) shows 7 K (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 44%, Flop: 63%, Turn: 79%, River: 0%)

Pokerstars19 (SB) shows 9 Q (a straight, Five to Nine)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 35%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

jetson00000 (BU) shows T 9 (a straight, Six to Ten)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 22%, Flop: 3%, Turn: 7%, River: 100%)

jetson00000 (BU) wins $4.95:jd4:

Welcome to the CardsChat Community yael1412! Thank you very much for sharing your hand.
Now, this is a very advanced and complicated topic. This is big blind defense, but there are some aspects we must observe before taking decisions from the blinds:

A) Did we check preflop, when came a limp/limpers behind? How do we play when we check preflop?

B) Did we call preflop, when came a raise or multiple raises behind? How do we play when call from the blinds preflop?

C) Did we 3-bet preflop, whem came a raise or multiple raises (Squeeze) behind? How do we play out of position in a 3-bet pot, sometimes 3-handed?

D) Did we raise limp/limper behind? How do we play out of position limped-raised pots, heads-up and 3-handed?

We see that our hand fits in the topic A. We did check preflop with 80% range or more.
Your check flop is good, because that's what we do most of times when we check from the Big Blind. Hands that you could bet here are K5, K6, 65 and 66 and 55 that you decided to check for some reason.
Your flush draws and straight draws are no good for raising here. Also your Kx, alone with no kicker, so, overall your check flop was good.
Now in the turn it comes a 7h and we now have top two pair, so I like your decision of making a bet here. However, given that the board is heavy connected for flushes and straights, our Two Pair hands and Sets will lost a lot of value in many rivers.
So, I don't see why give excellent odds for weak players to continue paying with their draws in the turn. When you bet here, goes for 100% pot or more. Why?
Everyone checked flop, so the pot is still very small. Players that limped preflop and got draws in the board, will pay large sizings trying to hit their equities in the non-sense rivers.
Because the pot is small, the players are weak, we have a very strong value hand that could be ahead a galaxy from the limper's range, a 200% bet here would very EV, for the case players decide to pay with draws.
We believe nobody had two pair or sets in the flop, because everyone checked flop. In the turn there are more two pair hands that we beat than two pair hands that beat us. Our only concern is to protect our value hand and put pressure upon Villain's ranges, so we can take a heads-up in the River. When they call this turn they also show that they are seeking draws, either flushes or straights and many rivers are going to end our action.
However, it was not your choice, you made a 1/2 pot bet which is not the end of the world and both players pay, and we go to the river:
The river completes some Straights with the 8c and now the SB donks JAM. Very hard decision here, but it is a fold 100% of times:

A) Some K8 might got there in the river and is destroying us.
B) Some Set that it decided to limp/complete preflop such as 55, 66.
C) We are out of position to give this call.
D) What is gonna happen when we call and BTN calls? We are doomed.
E) The Straights with 9x and T9.
F) This is a guessing call in the River, because we didn't raise the pot preflop, so we are starting to guess ranges here, and this is a bad ideia.

We don't have the proper odds from the Big Blind in a pot that we checked preflop.
Hands that we could be paying here are the 9x, and if we had T9. We don't have any set when we check preflop and check flop, we have no 77 or 88 because those hands could be 3-betting/raising limpers preflop, and even if we had sets they are no good here, the same goes for TP hands and Two Pair hands.
You didn't raise the pot preflop. And even if you did, in a river like this you must fold almost 100% of your range, unfortunately. If we had position we could wonder a couple of seconds before folding. :D
Thank you very much and please, keep posting your hands! Have a nice day.

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa
 
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