2 hands need analysis

Genso Hikki

Genso Hikki

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I had a friendly cash game last night, and there are two hands I would like some help analyzing. The first hand I was involved in; the second one my boyfriend played. We've been having some lively discussions about how we played these hands versus how the other thinks they should have been played. I'd like to get some other opinions.

First hand: (blinds are .50, 1.00)

UTG (stack size approx. $30.00) raises to $3.00
Small Blind (stack size apprx. $25.00) raises to $6.00
Big Blind (you're friendly hero, my stack size was approx. $50.00) gets dealt pocket aces and I raise to $9.00
UTG call. Small blind raises to $12.00

Now, at this point I'm thinking a) I have the best hand and b) I'd rather play my aces heads up than against two players. I raise all-in.

UTG calls instantly. SB thinks for a while then also calls.

Cards are:
UTG - Q, Q
SM - 2,2
BB (hero) -A, A

Flop: 7,4,Q rainbow
Turn: 9
River: 2

So the pocket queens take the pot.

Now, my boyfriend said I made a huge mistake here. He said I should have known with all that raise calling that both would call my all in. He seems to think I could have saved myself some money if I had only called the last raise instead of shoving. He believes I could have put one of my opponents on a high pocket pair and folded after the queen hit on the flop. I still maintain that shoving and trying to get at least one of them to lay down their hand was a proper move.

Second Hand:

Everyone folds pre-flop except the SB and the BB (BB is my boyfriend).

Flop comes:
Js, 9H, Jc

SB bets (stack approx. $100.00) $3.00
BB raises (stack around $50.00) to $6.00
SB calls

Turn:
7H

SB checks.
BB bets $15.00
SB calls

River 2H

SB checks
BB pushes all-in
SB calls

Cards are SB, J,10 BB J,4

I believe that after the call on the turn, my boyfriend should have started entertaining the possibility that he was beat. Not only was there the chance that the other guy had a jack with a better kicker, but there was also the chance of a pocket nines or pocket sevens. We play with the SB a lot, and he's tight enough that he's not going to call a $12.00 bet without a damn good hand. The river shove to me was a very bad idea because a) it's very possible boyfriend was already beat on the turn and b) the SB had enough money to lose that pot and still walk away from the table with a nice little profit so I don't see him laying it down if he got a good piece of the board. My boyfriend argues that he was trying to represent a boat or a flush. I don't believe representing a flush was advisable because it came runner, runner and there's really not much of a chance the SB would put him on two hearts. He said he did know he was beat and figured the only way he could win the pot was to bet the SB off his hand.

So, who's right and who's wrong? Both? Neither? I'd appreciate any insight as we've been arguing about this all morning.
 
Effexor

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You are right on all accounts. The one and only thing I'd do differently is the min 3 bet. Repop that to $30 so that if they want to see the flop, they'll be all in. Just calling preflop then possibly folding because a Q hit is terribly weak. It's far better to get it all in while you are ahead and make someone draw out on you.

In the second hand, he should have just checked behind on the river. The river bet is just spewing chips.
 
zachvac

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on the first hand you're right 2000%. The goal of poker is to get your money in the pot when you have the best of it. You just got unlucky and got drawn out on. Most of the time you triple up there, and if a Q comes on the flop there's no way you're folding to a bet, KK could be playing the exact same way (or AQ or a number of other hands).
 
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First hand: (blinds are .50, 1.00)

UTG (stack size approx. $30.00) raises to $3.00
Small Blind (stack size apprx. $25.00) raises to $6.00
Big Blind (you're friendly hero, my stack size was approx. $50.00) gets dealt pocket aces and I raise to $20
UTG call. Small blind shoves.

Now, at this point I'm thinking a) I have the best hand and b) I'd rather play my aces heads up than against two players. I raise all-in.

UTG calls instantly. SB thinks for a while then also calls.

Cards are:
UTG - Q, Q
SM - 2,2
BB (hero) -A, A

Flop: 7,4,Q rainbow
Turn: 9
River: 2

So the pocket queens take the pot.



Second Hand:

Everyone folds pre-flop except the SB and the BB (BB is my boyfriend).

Flop comes:
Js, 9H, Jc

SB bets (stack approx. $100.00) $3.00
BB raises (stack around $50.00) to $6.00
SB calls

Turn:
7H

SB checks.
BB bets $15.00
SB calls

River 2H

SB checks
BB checks


Cards are SB, J,10 BB J,4

2 major mistakes, first hand 4-bet to at least $20 possibly shove, 2nd hand check the river.

Oh stop min-raising, it makes baby Jesus cry.
 
Schatzdog

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TB has it on the nose all the way. Push Aces first hand, check down second hand.

Stop the min-raising this is NL, not Limit. Essentially you're a bookmaker, so set the proper odds.

With AA get it in. Your boyfriend says you can fold that flop to action? Not likely. Not sure about the quality of your game but this much PF action usually means AK/KK/AA/QQ are in the mix. AQ and KK are probably pushing that flop alot of the time too. It would take a pretty sweet read to put your opponents on exactly QQ.
 
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Not to mention the stack sizes. You're never folding the flop with so little left in your opponents' stacks.
 
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Now, my boyfriend said I made a huge mistake here. He said I should have known with all that raise calling that both would call my all in. He seems to think I could have saved myself some money if I had only called the last raise instead of shoving. He believes I could have put one of my opponents on a high pocket pair and folded after the queen hit on the flop.

lol, break up with your boyfriend
 
Genso Hikki

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Aw, he has other good qualities. Besides, it's going to be soooo much fun to show him this when he gets home and sing-song "I was right and you were wrong" all night.
 
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Besides, it's going to be soooo much fun to show him this when he gets home and sing-song "I was right and you were wrong" all night.

Oh God, can a mod plz edit my post................poor guy, what have I done.....................
 
Genso Hikki

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Oh God, can a mod plz edit my post................poor guy, what have I done.....................

It's ok. I'm sure he'll get some joy out of knowing I played bad enough to make Baby Jesus cry.
 
zachvac

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Aw, he has other good qualities. Besides, it's going to be soooo much fun to show him this when he gets home and sing-song "I was right and you were wrong" all night.

Maybe he should break up with you then :)
 
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