100nl playing our position w/TT

ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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Villain is a 18/8/2 reg and I'm tag as usual. I do however isolate pretty liberally with position and could show up with a ton of worse hands here than TT, and villain probably knows this, so he could be 3-betting pretty light too. Nothing too crazy though or out of line.

What's our plan postflop on different types of flops where we don't improve?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed)

Hero ($100)
SB ($127.70)
BB ($44.35)
UTG ($121.35)
UTG+1 ($122.20)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($59.75)
CO ($100.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T
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4 folds, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4.5, SB raises to $11, 1 fold, CO folds, Hero calls
 
zachvac

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Maybe I'm just way too tight, but I fold more often than not preflop in this position. We are on the button here so that puts us in a better spot, but usually against a really loose player where I actually expect to be ahead here I raise (which is almost never). Most of the time though we don't really know where we're at. Obviously coming over the top wouldn't be smart, and calling here we don't really have implied odds to play for set value (unless we actually think we can stack them close to 100% of the time when we flop the set). I don't see a hand we have beat here besides AK or maybe AQ or AJ.

But since you called, I think you have to play for set value. If you set, prepare to stack. If the flop comes all unders and he checks though, I'd probably throw a cbet out because that should fold out the AJ-AK type hand, and we don't want to give them the idea that they can steal on the turn. Unless we set though, I'd say you have to fold to any bet (well any significant bet obviously).
 
blankoblanco

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i'd definitely call. i mean, you're near the top of your button raising range, which SB can't know when he 3bets. he's tight, but he's still a reg and most probably capable of 3betting an LP raise without the nuts. you have position, getting 2.5:1, etc. and sometimes it's just good to show that you'll "defend your button" so to speak, and not just raise/fold. given that you're gonna be continually raising the button wide in the future, that kind of thing can be good for your image so guys don't try to resteal you much

there's really very many different factors postflop including texture and his bet size. if it comes undercards rainbow or two tone i'm usually gonna just call a c-bet and re-evaluate turn, folding the turn often if he barrels again. if it comes undercards monotone in our suit, i raise him. if it comes undercards monotone not in our suit, i fold to a c-bet. if it comes two overcards with no T, folding to a c-bet. if it comes an A or K, i fold to a c-bet. if it comes one overcard that's a Q or J then it's a little hazier but i'd often call because AK is the biggest part of his range purely by frequency
 
ChuckTs

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Yeah, sorry, the question's pretty general. For any other posters, assume he bets the standard 3/4 pot on the flop.

Are you ever turning your hand into a bluff and raising it?
 
blankoblanco

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against this guy i'm probably only ever raising it as a semi bluff if there's a straight draw or flush draw with the pair

given the type of range this guy's is probably weighted t'wards, here's some of the major possibilities of what he'll have on the flop: a) an overpair to the board b) TPTK c) a set d) two overcards or e) an underpair to TT. if it's d or e, we have the best hand in position anyway and he's only drawing to 6 (or 2) outs on the turn. raising isn't that great then. and when it's a, b, or c, it's gonna be really hard to push him off it. but when we're added 8 or 9 outs via a straight or flush draw, we probably do well enough when we're called that we don't need him to fold a ton of the time, and it's good for balance so we're not only raising him with sets and stuff

i mean, yeah there will be times when it comes A high and he's actually holding 88-KK or possibly even a suited connector, but an A is too much of his range that we're gonna be able to make a move imo
 
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I think the SB has a big hand here, possibly an overpair, because he did a small reraise giving you good odds to call, and he's out of position. Usually when a player makes a play preflop with a suited connector or something they are in the CO or button so they know if their move doesn't get everyone to fold at least they'll have position. But still I like your call. If the flop comes A - X - X and he bets probably fold. If it comes one overcard that is a Q or K, call. If it comes all undercards definetly call. If it comes K Q - X probably fold. Unless you get a set though, if you call his flop bet and he makes another big bet on the turn then probably fold.
 
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