100nl, AQ vs weird turn bet

ChuckTs

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Very last hand I raised in EP with JJ, called a 3-bet OOP, a KTx flop went check-check, rag turn went ch-bet-call, and we both checked a Q riv (villain had AKs).

That same villain isn't in this hand but maybe the last hand has some bearing on this one. Villain here is pretty loose passive (~30/1/1) after a small <50 hand sample size, and otherwise I've been tag.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed)

BB ($108.50)
Hero ($86.15)
UTG+1 ($42.90)
MP1 ($148)
MP2 ($126.75)
MP3 ($67.15)
CO ($77.10)
Button ($65.25)
SB ($94.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A
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, Q
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Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, MP3 calls $3.50, 1 fold, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($12) T
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, 7
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, 5
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(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($12) 7
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(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $2, Button folds, Hero ...

How often is this a bluff and should we even bother getting involved?
 
WVHillbilly

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Fold. You didn't c-bet the flop (why?), so he doubts you have the flush draw. You're tight so he knows the 7 didn't help you. The only possible hand you could have here that would be the winner would be a slow played flopped set of 10s looking to check-raise. My guess at his most likely holding is A10/K10 so he'll never believe it.
 
ChuckTs

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Wouldn't that have bet the flop though?

As for my c-bet, this is just a balancing play for me. LP player behind me isn't likely to fold any pair, and he's also definitely got some drawing hands that hit this flop pretty hard so I didn't want to c-bet it this time. No big mistake either way, I don't think.
 
WVHillbilly

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I don't think not c-betting here is wrong but once you don't you need to be done with the hand unless you hit, IMO.

He may have delayed till the turn to make sure the flush card or an over didn't hit. He's not overly aggressive so I can see him playing TP this way. He could also have a smaller PP, but either way I'm done with the hand.
 
NineLions

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Into 2 players and after the last hand I might not c-bet this flop either, but I'm doing most of my playing at a level where c-betting is not always standard so I'm more likely to try to show that I don't always c-bet, even though I have to consciously stop myself to not do so.

But I might have considered a delayed c-bet on the turn though after neither player showed interest.


It's such a small bet; consider reraising to push him off if it's nothing?
 
c9h13no3

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Easy fold. Your outs to aces & queens aren't even clean, since he may be holding a 7 or AT/QT. And no, villain wouldn't have to bet the flop with AT since he was so bloody passive earlier in the previous hand you had with AK when you had JJ.

Sure, this may be a bluff from villain (since he's actually betting, and it looks weak). But I think more often than not, calling stations will just call your raises, and showdown something that beats ace high.
 
ChuckTs

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again:
That same villain isn't in this hand but maybe the last hand has some bearing on this one.
He is still passive, but that last hand was strictly for (my) table image reasons. It's not the same guy.

edit: even so, I'd expect AT to bet here way more often than AK would in that last hand. That last one is pretty much wa/wb for him...anyways :/
 
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c9h13no3

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Go me, I am awesome at reading threads >_<.

My opinion on the hand still stands.
 
ChuckTs

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ok, the consensus seems to be just letting the hand go, which I think is fine. I called the $2 turn bet and a blank $3 river bet and he showed A9o.

This is definitely not something I do often, but I think our hand's good enough to at least call the turn since a) we have outs (6:1!?!?), b) we could even be best and see a free/cheap showdown.

Odd one, but checked to twice just seems too likely of a spot to bet with air (hence why I didn't on the turn). Kind of spewy by me tbh, was more of a curiosity thing than anything else.
 
NineLions

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A bit spewey perhaps, but it's 2+3 more into a pot that's $12 at the start of the flop? I thought only $10NL and lower players made those kinds of bets.
 
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You played it well imo chuck. Missed the flop so it's not smart to bluff into two opponents, continuation bets are usually better against one. On the turn he bets when a 7 comes, but how could that card have helped him? He probably wouldn't have called with a 7 preflop except maybe ace 7. And on the turn you're getting 6:1 and odds against hitting an ace or a Q are 6.7:1, and you could easily have the best hand so it's an easy call.
 
c9h13no3

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ok, the consensus seems to be just letting the hand go, which I think is fine. I called the $2 turn bet and a blank $3 river bet and he showed A9o.
Why not raise his 2$ turn bet to ~6$? Sure, if we could predict the future, we'd know he was going to bet small again on the river. But if we think he's bluffing, why don't we take the opportunity to show some cheap aggression? Sure, this made us more $ to allow him to keep bluffing, but idk, I think its a bit risky to just check/call the hand down and hope AQ takes it down. Especially when a bigger bet could come on the river. Or were you planning to fold to say a $8+ river bet?

But maybe I'm just a weak-tight sucker.
 
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only read OP but i don't mind floating turn and leading blank river for like ~$5.50
 
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