.02/.04 Limit Holdem HH

DESSERTLADY

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Ok with all the talk about more HH posts in the HA forum I thought I would take a shot at one(been awhile so bear with me)

I just got to this table a few hands earlier so really no reads on anyone.


Hand #35085696-91635 at Freehold ($.02/$.04 Hold'em)
Started at 06/Nov/06 11:46:42

DESSERTLADY is at seat 1 with $2.20.
Spencer19 is at seat 2 with $1.58.
agreen8888 is at seat 3 with $2.15.
Sexxxy-Momma is at seat 4 with $1.53.
TEAM DC is at seat 5 with $1.92.
TULSA777 is at seat 6 with $.85.
registm1 is at seat 7 with $1.10.
TrafalgarHood is at seat 8 with $.79.
matt cushing is at seat 9 with $.93.
The button is at seat 8.

matt cushing posts the small blind of $.01.
DESSERTLADY posts the big blind of $.02.
agreen8888 posts out of turn for $.03($.01 dead blind).
DESSERTLADY: Td As
Spencer19: -- --
agreen8888: -- --
Sexxxy-Momma: -- --
TEAM DC: -- --
TULSA777: -- --
registm1: -- --
TrafalgarHood: -- --
matt cushing: -- --
Pre-flop:

Spencer19 calls. agreen8888 checks. Sexxxy-Momma
calls. TEAM DC calls. TULSA777 calls. registm1
calls. TrafalgarHood calls. matt cushing folds.
DESSERTLADY checks.
Flop (board: Ad 7h 2d):

DESSERTLADY checks. Spencer19 checks. agreen8888
checks. Sexxxy-Momma checks. TEAM DC checks.
TULSA777 checks. registm1 checks. TrafalgarHood
checks.
Turn (board: Ad 7h 2d Js):

DESSERTLADY bets $.04. Spencer19 calls. agreen8888
folds. Sexxxy-Momma calls. TEAM DC folds.
TULSA777 folds. registm1 raises to $.08.
TrafalgarHood folds. DESSERTLADY calls. Spencer19
calls. Sexxxy-Momma calls.
River (board: Ad 7h 2d Js 9c):

DESSERTLADY checks. Spencer19 checks. Sexxxy-Momma
checks. registm1 bets $.04. DESSERTLADY calls.
Spencer19 calls. Sexxxy-Momma calls.

I am fairly new to limit.........well not really new I mean I don't play alot of it, I haved played more NL and O 8/b these past months and tournies.

I know I probably shoulda have raised preflop but how does the rest look? Will give the rest of the hand after any comments.
Is this the correct way to display this HH btw?
 
F Paulsson

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Hi Tina,

I wouldn't have raised preflop out of the big blind. Seven (holy crap! I had forgotten how fun it is at these limits!) players have limped, and while your hand may be slightly ahead at this point, you're not "enough" ahead to make raising a good move, because the few times that you're actually behind will cost you a lot more than few pennies that you gain per time that you're ahead. Preflop, in other words, looks good.

Flop: I want you to bet here. Your hand is probably the best, and you scored your top pair. While you before we're mostly even money, you're now likely a huge favorite. If they all fold, then you pick up the pot and you probably couldn't have won a lot more anyway. But what you really want is someone calling with a hand like A-6 or 9-7. Bet, and profit!

Turn: Checking the ace on the flop, I didn't like, but I do like betting the turn now. You're more likely to have a jack than an ace, in the eyes of your opponents. Either way, at the time of betting, you've got to like your chances of still being ahead. So "registm1" decides to raise the turn? It's an odd position for him/her to be slowplaying the flop out of, but now that he shows strength, your hand is probably not the best anymore. But!

... You're getting 9:1 on your money to call one more. If you're behind to two pair, you still have between 3 and 5 outs to improve to win. Factor in the possibility that he's just doing this with a hand like KJ (not that far-fetched) and you're in good shape. Call the turn.

River: Well, if it's taken you this far, go with it. Raising to prevent overcalls isn't really going to help here, because no hand that you'd wish would fold every would, not even for two bets. The padding that you get from people calling with JT and similar will make up for the (many) times that you're behind however.

In essence: By the time someone else tells you on the turn that your hand is no longer best, it's too late for you to fold, because of the odds you're getting on improving and/or being ahead still.
 
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while your hand may be slightly ahead at this point, you're not "enough" ahead to make raising a good move, because the few times that you're actually behind will cost you a lot more than few pennies that you gain per time that you're ahead.

Oh, by the way: Does everyone understand and/or agree with this statement as a concept? Whether or not it applies to ATo can be discussed, but there's a very distinct line which hands that qualifies for this for me, and which don't and I was curious if others felt the same way.
 
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Ok, I understand FP, with that many limpers I did what I should have and just checked. But my check on the flop was wrong. I should have bet here. This mistake probably cost me the hand. Here it is again with the outcome Highlighted.


Hand #35085696-91635 at Freehold ($.02/$.04 Hold'em)
Started at 06/Nov/06 11:46:42

DESSERTLADY is at seat 1 with $2.20.
Spencer19 is at seat 2 with $1.58.
agreen8888 is at seat 3 with $2.15.
Sexxxy-Momma is at seat 4 with $1.53.
TEAM DC is at seat 5 with $1.92.
TULSA777 is at seat 6 with $.85.
registm1 is at seat 7 with $1.10.
TrafalgarHood is at seat 8 with $.79.
matt cushing is at seat 9 with $.93.
The button is at seat 8.

matt cushing posts the small blind of $.01.
DESSERTLADY posts the big blind of $.02.
agreen8888 posts out of turn for $.03($.01 dead blind).

DESSERTLADY: Td As
Spencer19: -- --
agreen8888: -- --
Sexxxy-Momma: -- --
TEAM DC: -- --
TULSA777: -- --
registm1: -- --
TrafalgarHood: -- --
matt cushing: -- --

Pre-flop:

Spencer19 calls. agreen8888 checks. Sexxxy-Momma
calls. TEAM DC calls. TULSA777 calls. registm1
calls. TrafalgarHood calls. matt cushing folds.
DESSERTLADY checks.

Flop (board: Ad 7h 2d):

DESSERTLADY checks. Spencer19 checks. agreen8888
checks. Sexxxy-Momma checks. TEAM DC checks.
TULSA777 checks. registm1 checks. TrafalgarHood
checks.

Turn (board: Ad 7h 2d Js):

DESSERTLADY bets $.04. Spencer19 calls. agreen8888
folds. Sexxxy-Momma calls. TEAM DC folds.
TULSA777 folds. registm1 raises to $.08.
TrafalgarHood folds. DESSERTLADY calls. Spencer19
calls. Sexxxy-Momma calls.

River (board: Ad 7h 2d Js 9c):

DESSERTLADY checks. Spencer19 checks. Sexxxy-Momma
checks. registm1 bets $.04. DESSERTLADY calls.
Spencer19 calls. Sexxxy-Momma calls.
Showdown:

registm1 shows 8h Ah.
registm1 has 8h Ah Ad Js 9c: a pair of aces.
DESSERTLADY shows Td As.
DESSERTLADY has Td As Ad Js 9c: a pair of aces, jack/ten kickers.
Spencer19 shows Jd 2h.
Spencer19 has Jd 2h Ad 2d Js: two pair, jacks and deuces.
Sexxxy-Momma mucks cards.
(Sexxxy-Momma has Ac Tc.)


Hand #35085696-91635 Summary:

$.03 is raked from a pot of $.66.
Spencer19 wins $.63 with two pair, jacks and deuces.

Very surprised still to see what people will limp in with. And UTG to make it hurt a bit worse. I'm not sure if I had bet on the flop since the goober caught his low pair that he would have even folded it. I have seen too many in the circumstance catching a low pair like that, they will call to the river to see if they can make their set or even better.

Thanks for the advice/analysis FP.
 
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Very surprised still to see what people will limp in with.

At 2c/4c, don't be surprised by anything. In fact, LHE doesn't get remotely sane until 50c/$1. Right now, I'm playing 25c/50c and this hand is still typical.
 
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