re: Poker & You Suck at PLO
Originally Posted by PokerBrat010
Has anyone got a good starting hand guide for plo?
I'll wade in an contribute my meager knowledge.
As has been mentioned starting hands fade a little in their power as compared to NLHE.
For example consider this fairly good PLO hand with this fairly terrible one:
And various flops will change those numbers quickly. PLO is the ultimate post flop big bet community card game.
That said you should be raising the first hand and folding the second from all positions.
Because of the nature of pot limit games it can be argued that position is more important here than even in NLHE. Well.. not just argued... it's just true. It is EXTREMELY important. Because not only do you have more information, but your strategy is somewhat more integrated into pot/stack/bet sizes.
You want hands that work together in all their combinations. So cards ABCD can be seen as AB,AC,AD,BC,BD and DC So hands like the double suited AKAK hand are good as are most double suited AAxx and KKxx hands. In fact most hollywood hands are good. Even better is a hand that flops lots of straights like 89TJ or the like. In some ways these can be the best hands.
Starting hands with two pairs are set magnets compared to holdem with something like a 22% chance of hitting. But these hands can be dangerous.
Hands with unconnected low cards of multiple suites are the 72o of PLO.
Hands with a set in them like JJJ4 are worse than 72o. Since you are holding your OWN blockers.
(this is a post flop game God be praised)
Post flop play becomes the real battlefield in PLO. And just like hold'em sizing up your opponents is key. Some guys just pot pot pot because that's all they know how to do. Others won't bet without the nuts. Then there are the decent, and good players.
The first level of playing PLO post flop is learning to draw to the nuts or at least to the hand that beats your opponents range easily. But at first stick to drawing to the nuts. Most hold'em players are amazed at the number of "amazing bad beats" they see at Omaha at first. This is because they are playing Tejas Hold'em at an Omaha table. Here sets are weak, and the word "Underboat" takes on serious meaning. Zeebo's theorum MUST go out the window.
You must consider your drawing odds even more carefully than you might at NLHE... well at least as much as, but they are slightly more complicated now. Because you suddenly might find yourself (if you are playing the right kinds of hands preflop) with 19 outs to the nuts on the flop. And you'll need to know your opponent is likely to have drawn a set and know what outs that makes poisonous. You will also start considering the relationship of your cards to your opponents range knowing when you will have blockers to what he is likely to be drawing to.
To reiterate from a different angle: Just like you want six 2 card hands that work together pre flop, you also want to see a flop that gives you more than one way to draw to a (much) better hand. Combo draws are key in PLO. They have enormous effect on your equity. You can be up against a villain with a gigantic monster on the flop and still have MORE EQUITY in the pot because you have so many outs to the nuts.
PLO is EXTREMELY fun in my opinion, and it can enrich or break you very quickly. Just ask Isildur1.
I personally enjoy PLO8 even more, though it is a more simple game than either hold'em or PLO.
On that note, I think one reason NLHE has been so popular is the game has the balance of luck/skill that keeps a nice pool of fishes around. I am not entirely sure PLO can do the same thing... but then again, I am one of the fishes. And in that vein, you should take all my comments with a huge rock of salt.