Starting hand rankings

Originally Posted by vladdracul

How were the starting hands ranking arrived at? I have read that supposedly a million hands are dealt via computer but were they run heads up or against all 10 hands? The reason I ask is cuz My AA hands seem to get cracked all the time. Either one of 2 things happen. Someone makes a set or hits 2 pair and a lot of times they are usually only using 1 card from their hand to make a straight or a flush. How do they get the 90% favorite preflop stat when my experience it is usually only 50% of the time they hold up? KK is even worse even tho they are supposed to be 84% favorite, pre flop. especially against A crap with a lot of times crap crap showing up if the A does not. Where and who ran these simulations to arrive at these rankings?.

Originally Posted by ohshootmybad

Preflop equity only applies if hands are guaranteed to see the river. It's the possible combinations a hand can hit to win by the river.

AA vs 22 is 80/20 because AA doesn't need to improve majority of the time. There are far more boards that favor AA than there are boards that favor 22. However, 20% the board combination will favor 22 > AA.

If there is betting involved, the river isn't guaranteed and you have to consider things like player error. Situations like you calling a bet when you're way behind, folding to a bluff, you bluffing and getting called, improper bet sizing, slow playing too much, trying to be trappy and getting caught, etc. All of that is going to bring down a hands winning percentage.

Also, unless you're running some kind of tracking software, your hand's winning/losing percentage is just guesswork. It's easy to remember times you've lost with AA but you probably to remember all the times you've won with AA uncontested preflop. If all you remember are the losses, then yes, it's easy to say your AA loses 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by ohshootmybad

Preflop equity only applies if hands are guaranteed to see the river. It's the possible combinations a hand can hit to win by the river.

AA vs 22 is 80/20 because AA doesn't need to improve majority of the time. There are far more boards that favor AA than there are boards that favor 22. However, 20% the board combination will favor 22 > AA.

If there is betting involved, the river isn't guaranteed and you have to consider things like player error. Situations like you calling a bet when you're way behind, folding to a bluff, you bluffing and getting called, improper bet sizing, slow playing too much, trying to be trappy and getting caught, etc. All of that is going to bring down a hands winning percentage.

Also, unless you're running some kind of tracking software, your hand's winning/losing percentage is just guesswork. It's easy to remember times you've lost with AA but you probably to remember all the times you've won with AA uncontested preflop. If all you remember are the losses, then yes, it's easy to say your AA loses 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by vladdracul

How were the starting hands ranking arrived at? I have read that supposedly a million hands are dealt via computer but were they run heads up or against all 10 hands? The reason I ask is cuz My AA hands seem to get cracked all the time. Either one of 2 things happen. Someone makes a set or hits 2 pair and a lot of times they are usually only using 1 card from their hand to make a straight or a flush. How do they get the 90% favorite preflop stat when my experience it is usually only 50% of the time they hold up? KK is even worse even tho they are supposed to be 84% favorite, pre flop. especially against A crap with a lot of times crap crap showing up if the A does not. Where and who ran these simulations to arrive at these rankings?.