S
~SHAKES~
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hello everyone,
Im 26 I live in FL im pro poker player ( i live off playing) Live and online. I play mostly small stakes online, but i bonus whore and get rakeback. I play on alot of different sites. I hope to offer somthing to this comunity as well learn new things also.
Heres a hand open for disscution.
I was reading through your 6max faq and stratgy stickys and noticed some real poker truth being spoken. While I was reviewing my sess from last night i stumbled across this hand here.... At first i thought about how bad i played it (being completly in line with the stratagy here, youll see many spots where i was making "mistakes") Howeve upon futher inspection i noticed alot of my line was due to reads! I had notes on the players and over 600 hands a piece in PT, also they had been at the table w/ me for more then 90min.
The plot thickens. As I looked closer, going with my reads, I noticed i really like the way I played it, even though on the surface (without reads) it looks pretty bad. I think its important to realize how much reads play a part in poker, and to not let ourselvs always get caught up in a "systimatic" or poker by the numbers as I like to call it, type of mentality about the game.
I cant get the hand convertor to work (vegas poker?) but ill try and clean this up.
HOLDEM NORMAL $0.50/$1 - 2007-06-06 21:50:06 (ET)
Table: CALLE DE DORMIR (real money) Seat #3 is the dealer
BUT- HERO ($20.60 in chips)
SB-LPP ($31.65 in chips)
($22.73 in chips)
($14.86 in chips)
MP - TAG ($57.74 in chips)
($6.14 in chips)
FINZRIGHT - Posts small blind $0.25
Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SHAKENBAKED [Kc Kh]
Folds
TAG - Raises $1 to $1
HERO - Calls $1
LPP - Calls $0.75
Folds
OK SO I COLD CALL!!! EWWWWW. BUT...THIS IS A STEAL MOST OF THE TIME TO ME, MP IS A TAG SO I DONT WANT TO SCARE HIM TO MUCH, THE BLINDS ARE BOTH LPP SO HAVING THEM IN IS GOOD TOO. (being in pots with stong hands, in position, and aginst weak players=profit so come on in)+ So I CC and the bb fold ? must have had 2/8 cause he was Loose, and we take the flop 3-way
*** FLOP *** [Kd 3c 9d]
LPP - Bets $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50
HERO- Raises $1 to $1
LPP- Calls $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50
OMG WHY RAISE WAIT TILL THE TURN MAXIMIZE VALUE, UGLY. BUT......i FELT THE FISH HAD A WEAK KING OR MABY A 9, 9-3 AT BEST, THE TAG CALLS...NOW IF I CALL THE TAG IS ALERTED THAT I HAVE SOME SORT OF HAND HERE, AND UNLESS HE PRETTY STRONG (TP AT LEAST) HES BAILING ON THE TURN WEATHR THE FISH LEADS OR IF HE C/F'S TO MY BET. SO I RAISE TO GET THE EXTRA BET SB NOW. (also charging a possible fl draw)
IF HE IS THAT STRONG HES GONA 3 BET MY FLOP RAISE. aND MORE THEN LIKLY PLAY THE TURN AGRESSIVLY AS WELL, ESPESSALY IF HE HAS A HAND LIKE K9 OR EVEN 33, 99.
Make sence now? looks bad but really i think it was the way to get the absolute most out of the hand at this point.
*** TURN *** [Kd 3c 9d] [6c]
LPP - Checks
TAG - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Calls $1
TAG - Folds
as expected the tag was on the steal and was done on the turn. I guess the fish has a king or a 9, eaither way we're goin to value town.
*** RIVER *** [Kd 3c 9d 6c] [7c]
LPP - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Raises $2 to $2
HERO - Raises $2 to $3
LPP - Calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO - Shows [Kc Kh] (Three of a kind, kings)
LPP - Mucks
SHAKENBAKED Collects $13.80 from main pot
(small blind) HI: [Mucked] [7d 3d]
So he was bein fishy calling down a weak hand then improving to 2nd best. Anyone think if I Raise preflop, Call flop, Raise turn is the best line still?
Reads are Important, Im justreally starting to understand why for the first time. I got caught up in poker by numbers for a long time, then i started playing live. That showed me how much you can up you BB/100 by apply reads, and not just playing by the numbers.
Get weak players in pots with you when you have position and good holdings, don chase them away. Realize when tags are stealing, and get your value in on the flop, as they will mostly bail on the turn UI.
Thats what i learned from my review any way. I hope I contruibuted somthing that will help people play and win atpoker.
~shake
(havent gotten any responces really on the other forums, any thoughts?
Im 26 I live in FL im pro poker player ( i live off playing) Live and online. I play mostly small stakes online, but i bonus whore and get rakeback. I play on alot of different sites. I hope to offer somthing to this comunity as well learn new things also.
Heres a hand open for disscution.
I was reading through your 6max faq and stratgy stickys and noticed some real poker truth being spoken. While I was reviewing my sess from last night i stumbled across this hand here.... At first i thought about how bad i played it (being completly in line with the stratagy here, youll see many spots where i was making "mistakes") Howeve upon futher inspection i noticed alot of my line was due to reads! I had notes on the players and over 600 hands a piece in PT, also they had been at the table w/ me for more then 90min.
The plot thickens. As I looked closer, going with my reads, I noticed i really like the way I played it, even though on the surface (without reads) it looks pretty bad. I think its important to realize how much reads play a part in poker, and to not let ourselvs always get caught up in a "systimatic" or poker by the numbers as I like to call it, type of mentality about the game.
I cant get the hand convertor to work (vegas poker?) but ill try and clean this up.
HOLDEM NORMAL $0.50/$1 - 2007-06-06 21:50:06 (ET)
Table: CALLE DE DORMIR (real money) Seat #3 is the dealer
BUT- HERO ($20.60 in chips)
SB-LPP ($31.65 in chips)
($22.73 in chips)
($14.86 in chips)
MP - TAG ($57.74 in chips)
($6.14 in chips)
FINZRIGHT - Posts small blind $0.25
Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SHAKENBAKED [Kc Kh]
Folds
TAG - Raises $1 to $1
HERO - Calls $1
LPP - Calls $0.75
Folds
OK SO I COLD CALL!!! EWWWWW. BUT...THIS IS A STEAL MOST OF THE TIME TO ME, MP IS A TAG SO I DONT WANT TO SCARE HIM TO MUCH, THE BLINDS ARE BOTH LPP SO HAVING THEM IN IS GOOD TOO. (being in pots with stong hands, in position, and aginst weak players=profit so come on in)+ So I CC and the bb fold ? must have had 2/8 cause he was Loose, and we take the flop 3-way
*** FLOP *** [Kd 3c 9d]
LPP - Bets $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50
HERO- Raises $1 to $1
LPP- Calls $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50
OMG WHY RAISE WAIT TILL THE TURN MAXIMIZE VALUE, UGLY. BUT......i FELT THE FISH HAD A WEAK KING OR MABY A 9, 9-3 AT BEST, THE TAG CALLS...NOW IF I CALL THE TAG IS ALERTED THAT I HAVE SOME SORT OF HAND HERE, AND UNLESS HE PRETTY STRONG (TP AT LEAST) HES BAILING ON THE TURN WEATHR THE FISH LEADS OR IF HE C/F'S TO MY BET. SO I RAISE TO GET THE EXTRA BET SB NOW. (also charging a possible fl draw)
IF HE IS THAT STRONG HES GONA 3 BET MY FLOP RAISE. aND MORE THEN LIKLY PLAY THE TURN AGRESSIVLY AS WELL, ESPESSALY IF HE HAS A HAND LIKE K9 OR EVEN 33, 99.
Make sence now? looks bad but really i think it was the way to get the absolute most out of the hand at this point.
*** TURN *** [Kd 3c 9d] [6c]
LPP - Checks
TAG - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Calls $1
TAG - Folds
as expected the tag was on the steal and was done on the turn. I guess the fish has a king or a 9, eaither way we're goin to value town.
*** RIVER *** [Kd 3c 9d 6c] [7c]
LPP - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Raises $2 to $2
HERO - Raises $2 to $3
LPP - Calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO - Shows [Kc Kh] (Three of a kind, kings)
LPP - Mucks
SHAKENBAKED Collects $13.80 from main pot
(small blind) HI: [Mucked] [7d 3d]
So he was bein fishy calling down a weak hand then improving to 2nd best. Anyone think if I Raise preflop, Call flop, Raise turn is the best line still?
Reads are Important, Im justreally starting to understand why for the first time. I got caught up in poker by numbers for a long time, then i started playing live. That showed me how much you can up you BB/100 by apply reads, and not just playing by the numbers.
Get weak players in pots with you when you have position and good holdings, don chase them away. Realize when tags are stealing, and get your value in on the flop, as they will mostly bail on the turn UI.
Thats what i learned from my review any way. I hope I contruibuted somthing that will help people play and win atpoker.
~shake
(havent gotten any responces really on the other forums, any thoughts?
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