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Hello everyone,

Im 26 I live in FL im pro poker player ( i live off playing) Live and online. I play mostly small stakes online, but i bonus whore and get rakeback. I play on alot of different sites. I hope to offer somthing to this comunity as well learn new things also.

Heres a hand open for disscution.



I was reading through your 6max faq and stratgy stickys and noticed some real poker truth being spoken. While I was reviewing my sess from last night i stumbled across this hand here.... At first i thought about how bad i played it (being completly in line with the stratagy here, youll see many spots where i was making "mistakes") Howeve upon futher inspection i noticed alot of my line was due to reads! I had notes on the players and over 600 hands a piece in PT, also they had been at the table w/ me for more then 90min.

The plot thickens. As I looked closer, going with my reads, I noticed i really like the way I played it, even though on the surface (without reads) it looks pretty bad. I think its important to realize how much reads play a part in poker, and to not let ourselvs always get caught up in a "systimatic" or poker by the numbers as I like to call it, type of mentality about the game.

I cant get the hand convertor to work (vegas poker?) but ill try and clean this up.


HOLDEM NORMAL $0.50/$1 - 2007-06-06 21:50:06 (ET)

Table: CALLE DE DORMIR (real money) Seat #3 is the dealer
BUT- HERO ($20.60 in chips)
SB-LPP ($31.65 in chips)
($22.73 in chips)
($14.86 in chips)
MP - TAG ($57.74 in chips)
($6.14 in chips)
FINZRIGHT - Posts small blind $0.25
Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SHAKENBAKED [Kc Kh]
Folds
TAG - Raises $1 to $1

HERO - Calls $1
LPP - Calls $0.75
Folds
OK SO I COLD CALL!!! EWWWWW. BUT...THIS IS A STEAL MOST OF THE TIME TO ME, MP IS A TAG SO I DONT WANT TO SCARE HIM TO MUCH, THE BLINDS ARE BOTH LPP SO HAVING THEM IN IS GOOD TOO. (being in pots with stong hands, in position, and aginst weak players=profit so come on in)+ So I CC and the bb fold ? must have had 2/8 cause he was Loose, and we take the flop 3-way

*** FLOP *** [Kd 3c 9d]
LPP - Bets $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50
HERO- Raises $1 to $1
LPP- Calls $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50

OMG WHY RAISE WAIT TILL THE TURN MAXIMIZE VALUE, UGLY. BUT......i FELT THE FISH HAD A WEAK KING OR MABY A 9, 9-3 AT BEST, THE TAG CALLS...NOW IF I CALL THE TAG IS ALERTED THAT I HAVE SOME SORT OF HAND HERE, AND UNLESS HE PRETTY STRONG (TP AT LEAST) HES BAILING ON THE TURN WEATHR THE FISH LEADS OR IF HE C/F'S TO MY BET. SO I RAISE TO GET THE EXTRA BET SB NOW. (also charging a possible fl draw)
IF HE IS THAT STRONG HES GONA 3 BET MY FLOP RAISE. aND MORE THEN LIKLY PLAY THE TURN AGRESSIVLY AS WELL, ESPESSALY IF HE HAS A HAND LIKE K9 OR EVEN 33, 99.
Make sence now? looks bad but really i think it was the way to get the absolute most out of the hand at this point.

*** TURN *** [Kd 3c 9d] [6c]
LPP - Checks
TAG - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Calls $1
TAG - Folds
as expected the tag was on the steal and was done on the turn. I guess the fish has a king or a 9, eaither way we're goin to value town.

*** RIVER *** [Kd 3c 9d 6c] [7c]
LPP - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Raises $2 to $2
HERO - Raises $2 to $3
LPP - Calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO - Shows [Kc Kh] (Three of a kind, kings)
LPP - Mucks
SHAKENBAKED Collects $13.80 from main pot


(small blind) HI: [Mucked] [7d 3d]

So he was bein fishy calling down a weak hand then improving to 2nd best. Anyone think if I Raise preflop, Call flop, Raise turn is the best line still?

Reads are Important, Im justreally starting to understand why for the first time. I got caught up in poker by numbers for a long time, then i started playing live. That showed me how much you can up you BB/100 by apply reads, and not just playing by the numbers.

Get weak players in pots with you when you have position and good holdings, don chase them away. Realize when tags are stealing, and get your value in on the flop, as they will mostly bail on the turn UI.

Thats what i learned from my review any way. I hope I contruibuted somthing that will help people play and win atpoker.

~shake

(havent gotten any responces really on the other forums, any thoughts?
 
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you know we do have a cool section for these posts.

limit poker ewwww.


ok I will be 1st to give it a shot let me quote it and take out the useless stuff.



HOLDEM NORMAL $0.50/$1 - 2007-06-06 21:50:06 (ET)

Table: CALLE DE DORMIR (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
BUT- HERO ($20.60 in chips)
SB-LPP ($31.65 in chips)
($22.73 in chips)
($14.86 in chips)
MP - TAG ($57.74 in chips)
($6.14 in chips)
FINZRIGHT - Posts small blind $0.25
Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SHAKENBAKED [Kc Kh]
Folds
TAG - Raises $1 to $1
HERO - Calls $1
LPP - Calls $0.75
Folds

you are at .50/1.00 limit you want to build a pot so raising here is a must, you are not going to scare anyone away its .50/1.00

*** FLOP *** [Kd 3c 9d]
LPP - Bets $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50
HERO- Raises $1 to $1
LPP- Calls $0.50
TAG - Calls $0.50

fine of course.

*** TURN *** [Kd 3c 9d] 6♣
LPP - Checks
TAG - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Calls $1
TAG - Folds


fine of course again.

*** RIVER *** [Kd 3c 9d 6c] 7♣
LPP - Checks
HERO - Bets $1
LPP - Raises $2 to $2
HERO - Raises $2 to $3
LPP - Calls $1

duh

*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO - Shows [Kc Kh] (Three of a kind, kings)
LPP - Mucks
SHAKENBAKED Collects $13.80 from main pot


(small blind) HI: [Mucked] [7d 3d]

like I said its .50/1.00


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rough hand history to comment on whew.

line to take? you bet and bet some more its .50/1.00 you really think anyone is folding a pair? nooooooooooooooo its .50/1.00
 
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lol i think 3 bets does scare away the blinds though, and some people do argur that calling the flop and rasing the turn is better. did you read my commentary?
 
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lol i think 3 bets does scare away the blinds though, and some people do argur that calling the flop and rasing the turn is better. did you read my commentary?


yep, in 5/10 yea sure but at these Levels no it is incorrect to slowplay because you will lose bets. These Players are BAD they will call you down. I would want to get as much money as I can in any street.

after flop well its silly to try to say anything because you bet each street and got called down by bottom pair. LIKE I SAID there bad.
 
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seems like I might be coming off harsh. I think you lost 1 bet in this hand and that is preflop other then that its fine. By just calling the flop and raising the turn you gain the bet but you might not get paid off on river because they will put you on strong hand so really you dont gain anything or lose anything there but again its micro limits so you might get the call on the end.

I dont know I never could figure out what these people are thinking. Reads are useless at this level, I turn my pokerace hud off if I ever play this level. All I need is a 70vpip, 60PFR and 80AF looking at me.
 
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Pretty ordinary hand, but i'm curious, how do you make a living from poker playing 0.5/1 limit?
 
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I agree with re-raising the flop. With the small bets for the first 2 rounds, most PPs or 2 High cards will call the re-raise at these stakes. The turn is where you usually lose the donkeys due to the increased bets.
 
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Mostly bonus whoring. I play live also 2-5NL and 5-10 limit. I somtimes Play 100 NL on some of the road sites and 2-4 SHFL as well. .5 1.0 Is my grinding limt as i normally have about 350-400 on each site, 1-2 is a little above my bankroll for multitabling. I also think the 1-2 games are LOADED with grinders and the .5 1.0 games are just more profitable over all. Actually it seems that the 3-6 games are softer then the 1-2....weird.
 
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Mostly bonus whoring. I play live also 2-5NL and 5-10 limit. I somtimes Play 100 NL on some of the road sites and 2-4 SHFL as well. .5 1.0 Is my grinding limt as i normally have about 350-400 on each site, 1-2 is a little above my bankroll for multitabling. I also think the 1-2 games are LOADED with grinders and the .5 1.0 games are just more profitable over all. Actually it seems that the 3-6 games are softer then the 1-2....weird.


you can grind .50/1.00 to make a living? $1 per hour there since average a good player make 1 big blind per hour so that means you make less then minimum wage playing online. McDonalds I think is still hiring!

heck southwest is hiring and we start out at like almost $11 a hour. Seriously though this statement was just really missplaced. I was reading through it and read ok 5/10 limit live np, 2/5 NL live np these are games I play live and make good money on them, but to say you grind .5/1 is darn silly.

1/2 are not in any way filled with grinders, maybe 1 or 2 but in general its a casual level with alot of bad players. 3/6 online plays like 2/4 live, 1/2 nl online plays like 2/5 live.
 
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I don't think the small blind is being fishy and calling down a weak hand. He's got a pair with a flush draw. He can't put you on pocket Ks because you just cc pre-flop (risky but a very good play on your part). It's limit poker, so he's getting the odds to call every street to chase after his flush draw. At least he's got the sense to fold two pairs when he can't even put you on pocket Ks.
 
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umm you took 1 sentance of my post and ignored the rest. i PLAY LIVE TOO 5-10 FL and 25-NL!!!!!!

i also make alot more then 1bb/h i multitable and with rake back i make about 13/h "grinding". I also make about 100 a day playing 50nl on cake poker
 
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umm you took 1 sentance of my post and ignored the rest. i PLAY LIVE TOO 5-10 FL and 25-NL!!!!!!

i also make alot more then 1bb/h i multitable and with rake back i make about 13/h "grinding". I also make about 100 a day playing 50nl on cake poker

no I read them which is why I said.

heck southwest is hiring and we start out at like almost $11 a hour. Seriously though this statement was just really missplaced. I was reading through it and read ok 5/10 limit live np, 2/5 NL live np these are games I play live and make good money on them, but to say you grind .5/1 is darn silly.

just dosent make sense to me why would a play of your caliber want to waste time playing .50/1.00 online when they could be playing the same games online that they are live and making a ton more money. Just seemed out of place, not doubting you just trying to understand you.
 
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Welcome to CC Shakes, I understand why you played the way you did, your reads on these players told you they would have folded to higher bets, but under most curcumstances, higher bets are required just as it has been stated by others.
 
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because i dont have the BR online to play higher then .50 1.0 regularly. I play at multiple sites to get bonus'. I dont want to have over 1k online so I keep a couple hundred on each site and grind out bonus', i normally cash out money in 100$ increments and use it to pay bills. My live winnings for spending money.

I could definatly profit playing 5-10 online but why? I can play 5-10 live and its very very soft. I may oneday play 1-2 regularly but for now its not needed. I grind an easy 500 a week online and latly a lot more do to the 50NL on redstar poker. I dont see why the .5 1.0 grind is silly to you. You need about 500 or more to br that limit. Thats per site. I dont 1500 dollars in cyberspace so i can grind.
 
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because i dont have the BR online to play higher then .50 1.0 regularly. I play at multiple sites to get bonus'. I dont want to have over 1k online so I keep a couple hundred on each site and grind out bonus', i normally cash out money in 100$ increments and use it to pay bills. My live winnings for spending money.

I could definatly profit playing 5-10 online but why? I can play 5-10 live and its very very soft. I may oneday play 1-2 regularly but for now its not needed. I grind an easy 500 a week online and latly a lot more do to the 50NL on redstar poker. I dont see why the .5 1.0 grind is silly to you. You need about 500 or more to br that limit. Thats per site. I dont 1500 dollars in cyberspace so i can grind.

actually you need $300 to play .50/1.00 but who is counting?

just seems like a waste of time to me but to each his own.
 
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