Thanks Carlos. My thought process was that while the BB is a total fish, I don't think he leads out on the turn without something relatively strong. There are still 4 other players involved in the hand so I beat KJ/K10 and draws. I was against raising because I didn't want to bloat the pot, and there are still a lot of players after me to act.
I don't know if I agree with the thinking that players bet 100% of the flop with 2 pair or set, especially pertaining to the SB and BB. I have definitely checked in somewhat similar situations at 5NL with a set and multiple players left to act with the hope of inducing more action (maybe not on this type of board), but this could be a leak of mine. I feel like there is a higher chance that someone like the SB or BB checks the flop with a set or two pair, because I have done that in the past (maybe not on this type of board, but from my small sample size these particular players don't seem all that great).
"Possibly an exploitative fold for NL5." can you explain what that means? I'm assuming it means by me folding hands like this it would be a leak others can spot, but I wanted to clarify.
Sorry, I didn't mean 100% of times, but in a very high frequency in flops that are drawie/connected/wet/etc.
The other question is complicated, because if we look down to the pot
odds we have much more than necessary for calling and sometimes raising, because in these types of Turn configuration, BB can present enough draws on its range that might justify we putting chips into the pot.
And you are right, players at 2 NLHE and 5 NLHE, even the fishes, uses to play high value and if I really have the note that the guy is the famous "polarized only for value" case, with an aggression factor varying from 0 to 2, I can fold this TP2K/TPSK from time to time, because we are out of position.
This question is very good and complicated because we are out of position. If there was no one else behind us left to act it would be a very calm call. Now we must consider that for the times we are calling, we are already losing a couple of them, because one of the players in position can raise and depending on the case we cannot go further with your Top Pairs types.
Another point to observe is that by calling, we make the odds for players in position much better, and they are going to call more, turning the value of our holding, weaker.
Plus all of that, let's consider what are we going to do OTR, in the case we call and players in position all fold, and BB comes betting 1/2 pot, 2/3 pot, 100% pot, overbetting the pot, pushing, what are we going to do?
In the case we call and one of the players in position calls and BB bets 1/2 pot are we happy calling?
This is why looking only to the mathematical side of the thing can lead us into infinite mistakes, because there are so many factors that
pot odds cannot simply clarify and we must take those into consideration before putting money into the pot.
Thanks for the input, have a nice day.
Regards;
Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa