Originally Posted by bredaman7
"If you can't be the lowest limits there is zero chance you can beat anything higher over decent sample sizes, fact".
Do you realize your "fact" statement is invalid because:
1. Playing style in lower stakes and high stakes is way different (Have u tried mid and high one? if yes, you know I am not lying).
2. the reason people play, in lower stakes, so much players with "nothing to lose" mindset.
3. Billionaires can win and beat the high stakes table although they never tried the small stakes.
So What I wanna say is, if you have decent money to start at medium stake, go for it, it is better to start from mid rather than low/micro. I do not need to proof I can beat low/micro stakes, because that stakes are full of shit. Open your mind, fellas.
It's a fact plain and simple because if you can't beat worse players than it's obviously ridiculously to assume you can beat the better than worse players and the good players.
1: Yes I've played the smallest stakes and played upto 100nl. The play is very different, there is less spew at the higher limit and people are much better. They won't pay you off as often and at the smallest stakes you can literally guarantee getting paid of nearly always.
2:Yes exactly. If you are up against players who have that mindset how can it not be possible to crush them? If I can play vs someone for example wanting to bluff all the time or just call with bottom pair, or their gut shot and call down with 20% equity all day long how can you not just crush these people?
3:Which billionaires play and beat high stakes? They don't play lower of course because they don't need to. Also what makes you think that business men aren't talented players the ones who beat the games? I can't think of any who beat the games by the way..
No one is asking you for proof to beat micro stakes but your logic is flawed. Basically, for example you could get a top grinder from high stakes to play lowest limits and absolutely destroy the bad players. If they played higher their win rates would be no where near as high. So if a high stakes grinder wins at 20bb/100 at the smallest stakes and can only win at 2bb/100 at the higher stakes, would does this tell you? It tells
me higher stakes are obviously tougher lol.
That said, I have to ask..why not get a loan or save money and play midstakes and crush? If I could be sure I could beat mid/high stakes I to wouldn't waste my time at the smallest stakes I'd get backed for mid/high stakes or if I couldn't I'd get a loan to just play there and print money.
All I have to say is; work on your game a LOT if you struggle at the smallest stakes because I'd bet a decent amount of money that you couldn't beat the mid/high stakes if you struggle at the micros.