Rather lose with good or bad call?

#1 June 20th, 2020, 1:05 PM

Personally i don't mind if i lose with bad call/mistake from myself (at least from that i can learn) but it takes me over the moon to lose to 1-3 out bad beats. But i have read that others beg differ... how about you?

#2 June 20th, 2020, 2:54 PM

I take risks only when I am sure that my decision will be the most correct and optimal. No one is safe from mistakes, but poker is not bingo. I just try to play right and always enjoy the game.

#3 June 20th, 2020, 3:06 PM

Yes, poker is not a bingo. But a bit of luck plays an important role here! You can play all the time correctly and lose all the time. How to deal with this?

#4 June 20th, 2020, 3:22 PM

Lose with bad call , because when you know that you are loosing , but for example you had paid until turn , thete is no sence not to see from which hand are you loosing.

#5 June 20th, 2020, 5:36 PM

Nobody likes to lose! Rather lose with good or bad call?

But if I really have to, let it be a bad call. We all make mistakes, and that�s normal. It's just harder to bear when the decision was right, as far as ours is concerned.

#6 June 20th, 2020, 5:49 PM

I try not to put my stack at risk with little chance of winning..

I need to be above 80% i have the best hand

#7 June 20th, 2020, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by elJenio8

I try not to put my stack at risk with little chance of winning..

I need to be above 80% i have the best hand

even so we can lose rsrss

#8 June 20th, 2020, 6:14 PM

In bad bits there is nothing neither bad nor good, in terms of "extra" wins or losses. When I suffer from another bad beat, in fact, I simply return those "surpluses" that I undeservedly received as a favorite. It is more painful to lose due to a bad game or a bad stake, so you can lose your game and get into tilt

#9 June 20th, 2020, 6:37 PM

Originally Posted by lintsikka

Personally i don't mind if i lose with bad call/mistake from myself (at least from that i can learn) but it takes me over the moon to lose to 1-3 out bad beats. But i have read that others beg differ... how about you?

I would rather win with a bad call and good call. Rather lose with good or bad call?

#10 June 20th, 2020, 6:39 PM

I would much rather lose with a bad call. I know that I'm the underdog. If I have A A and I lose all in then it can be frustrating to say the least.

#11 June 20th, 2020, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by lintsikka

Personally i don't mind if i lose with bad call/mistake from myself (at least from that i can learn) but it takes me over the moon to lose to 1-3 out bad beats. But i have read that others beg differ... how about you?

I think we all try to make the best decisions that we think are good, but they are really not.

I think that you can learn from both "good" and "bad" calls.

I've learned that it's best not to go all-in with someone who has more chips than you, unless you have the nuts, no matter how good you think your decision is. If you lose, you're gone. If you don't play your decision, you're still in the game.

#12 June 20th, 2020, 6:55 PM

Originally Posted by lintsikka

Personally i don't mind if i lose with bad call/mistake from myself (at least from that i can learn) but it takes me over the moon to lose to 1-3 out bad beats. But i have read that others beg differ... how about you?

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Losing with the best hand to the lesser hand before the flop or even after the flop is just part of the game. Having pocket aces vs 7-8 preflop is a big advantage, but sometimes things just don't work out. It's a game of odds at times.

#13 June 20th, 2020, 6:58 PM

Originally Posted by James24543

I would rather win with a bad call and good call. Rather lose with good or bad call?

Moneywise it would be perfect put playing would be rather boring then. I won't make any big bucks ever (there are easier ways like sports betting) so half the charm of playing poker, for me at least, is try to play better than opponent Rather lose with good or bad call?

#14 June 20th, 2020, 7:36 PM

I would much rather lose from a good call. At least the loss is somewhat softened by the fact that my play was correct.

#15 June 20th, 2020, 7:40 PM

Loosing is loosing, and nobody likes it. However, if I played correctly and lost, I dont really get upset- Of course , loosing to a 1 outer on the river gets on everyones nerves.

#16 June 20th, 2020, 7:44 PM

bad does not happen. and with good things it so becomes unpleasant. I don�t even know which is better.

#17 June 20th, 2020, 10:40 PM

I feel like we are always learning, no matter how long you play poker... The biggest mistake is to assume that you are flawless... You know that isn't true..
Don't bother taking wrong decisions, it's all part of the learning process.. and even if you lose after taking the right decision, be happy! Few people do this and that's what will take you to the next level
Always play smart before anything

#18 June 22nd, 2020, 5:59 PM

If i made mistake i try to learn from it and adjust my game. If it is just bad beat i continue forward. It is part of the game.

#19 June 22nd, 2020, 6:49 PM

Originally Posted by lintsikka

Personally i don't mind if i lose with bad call/mistake from myself (at least from that i can learn) but it takes me over the moon to lose to 1-3 out bad beats. But i have read that others beg differ... how about you?

You can spend a lot of time discussing complex concepts that are now in vogue, but the most successful poker players most often rely on simple, long-tested tactics that have shown their profitability in the past.

#20 June 22nd, 2020, 7:29 PM

it doesnt matter if i lose a huge favorite or as an underdog, its still the same thing, for the most part.

but, when i lose a hand as a huge favorite, i'm still winning in the long run.

#21 June 22nd, 2020, 7:58 PM

Bad beats are part of the game, if I make a bad play I expect to loose, my bad. If I learn from my mistakes, well that is what I am here for. If I do not learn from my mistakes, that's on me.

#22 June 22nd, 2020, 9:56 PM

I prefer lose with a bad call for sure, because that was my fault and I think ok, I deserved. Rather lose with good or bad call?

#23 June 22nd, 2020, 10:45 PM

I'm going to be unhappy either way and there's not a lot in it. Probably the only time i'm going to be OK with the situation is when I bet or call an all in which I know to have a lot less than 50% equity but is a correct call because of the odds I'm getting - given I already expect to lose AND am making a correct decision, I'm cool with going out that way.

#24 June 23rd, 2020, 12:37 AM

Loosing with bad calls makes me feel more uncomfortable than loosing with good calls. When an opponent made a good call, that's fine, he played well and he deserved it. Although I still think we have to stay calm with loosing with bad beats. I remember that I played a tournament last week. When I have JJ against an opponent at big blinds, my image was very tight and the tour is on the bubble. He called and the board was 982. I make a CBet then he raised me. The pot was too high so I pushed all in. And he called me with A9 and won the pot when the river turned an A. After that loss, I just had about 5bb left. Fortunately, I manage to survive, got into the money, and finish 2nd. So just staying calm and never giving up are always keys to success.

#25 June 23rd, 2020, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by lintsikka

Personally i don't mind if i lose with bad call/mistake from myself (at least from that i can learn) but it takes me over the moon to lose to 1-3 out bad beats. But i have read that others beg differ... how about you?

Originally Posted by tamara822

Nobody likes to lose! Rather lose with good or bad call?

But if I really have to, let it be a bad call. We all make mistakes, and that�s normal. It's just harder to bear when the decision was right, as far as ours is concerned.

Originally Posted by mycannon223

I would much rather lose with a bad call. I know that I'm the underdog. If I have A A and I lose all in then it can be frustrating to say the least.

If I make a mistake I can deal with that. Hopefully I can learn, or at least understand what was in my control and own my action.

I get really pissed off when people who play like donks get routinely rewarded for their terrible calls with gifts on the river. That shit makes me crazy.

#26 June 23rd, 2020, 10:42 PM

You cannot always win poker with the best hand, otherwise it will not be poker, but chess! Do you know a lot of people who play chess for money?

#27 June 23rd, 2020, 11:21 PM

Incredibly when I have the best cards (AA, Ak and KK) I usually play everything, and I end up losing, I already said that I would stop playing with those cards and be more cautious, for all my experiences, but I can't just touch those cards, I I play with everything, I must learn to wait for the river, and then if the conditions are right, play with everything.

#28 June 24th, 2020, 12:09 AM

When I lose to a better hand or one that has great potential I don�t even care, but I confess that when I�m too far ahead and lose to a hand that�s played very badly it makes me feel too much, like: I�m stuck on the floop and the guy shoving a lot of blinds in the drill and hitting river, losing a flush to a flush runner runner, among others ... Rather lose with good or bad call?

#29 June 24th, 2020, 12:27 PM

You're looking at it all wrong. You lost a hand that you're opponent had played poorly but they catch a miracle on the river and win the pot. You get upset when their bad play ends up costing money but what about all the times where you profit from the way they play. You don't like the fact that they were on the river and they were able to pick up on the little bit of equity they had but what about the other nine out of ten times when they make it all the way to the river but they don't improve their hand. I mean what's the alternative? Would you prefer for your opponents to all play well and to notput themselves in situations where they are so far behind. Would it be better if they only show up on the river with hands that have high equity. The type of bad beat spots that you are referring to often develop because there are many players who do not understand equity or pot odds. Often they will over value their hands which leads to them bloating the pot by the time they realize that their hand is likely beat many of them have a tough time given up on pots that they have already committed significantly to so they'll happily call all the way down to the river because they don't really understand how unlikely it is for them to improve to a winning hand. Often it's easy to get upset thinking that you would've won if only they hadn't played 4 9 off or whatever junkie combination it was. You don't want to berate the player or make fun of them for how they play. You want them to feel comfortable and for them to enjoy playing. Many of then won't mind sticking around and losing their money and long as they are have fun. The times when they do win just tell them nice hand and move on to the next one

#30 June 24th, 2020, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by lintsikka

Personally i don't mind if i lose with bad call/mistake from myself (at least from that i can learn) but it takes me over the moon to lose to 1-3 out bad beats. But i have read that others beg differ... how about you?

It's always a horrible feeling to get your chips in good, only to see the miracle card come on the river and you watch your chips slide across the felt into your opponents stack, but you have to think in terms of how the hand plays out in the long term. Your opponent has around 1-3% chance of hitting that card, that means that about 98 times out of 100 you are going to win that pot, so you WANT your opponent to call.

The joy of poker is that all players in the pot almost always have some % of equity in the hand until the last card is down and even when the river is dealt and they have 0% equity, they can still win! But if you can consistently get your chips in good and get called, you are going to print money in the long term.

#31 June 24th, 2020, 2:55 PM

I feel worse when I made a bad call because that means I had control of the outcome and just made the wrong decision. Making the right call and having them suck out though it doesn't feel very good, it to me is still less painful.

#32 June 24th, 2020, 3:42 PM

My feelings on this are...mixed. Like, my reaction to a loss on a good call depends on my mood at the time. Sometimes I'm gratified that I couldn't be beaten through skill and had to be through luck, others I'm just pissed that my opponent got so lucky. As for losing on a bad call, it's never pleasant for me, but it's nothing compared to how I feel upon winning from a bad call. Like, I should win because I'm the better player not the luckier one. I get so angry at myself at times like that.

#33 June 24th, 2020, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by Matt_Burns88

but you have to think in terms of how the hand plays out in the long term. Your opponent has around 1-3% chance of hitting that card, that means that about 98 times out of 100 you are going to win that pot, so you WANT your opponent to call.

But if you can consistently get your chips in good and get called, you are going to print money in the long term.

I've heard it 20 years now, still haven't paid out Rather lose with good or bad call?

I guess it would work better if you grind a lot of tables and tournaments and those 1-3% losses happens on deals where you ain't all in with your chips. Same goes with every hand that you are favourite until bad beat

#34 June 24th, 2020, 8:00 PM

as frustrating as loosing to a bad beat you have to look back at the hand and know that if you made the right call that in the long run you will be winning. so i would have to say that in the long run i would rather make the right call and loose to a bad beat than make a donk play and loose.

#35 June 24th, 2020, 9:27 PM

Originally Posted by ohshootmybad

it doesnt matter if i lose a huge favorite or as an underdog, its still the same thing, for the most part.

but, when i lose a hand as a huge favorite, i'm still winning in the long run.

all right. it�s not very important that you can lose with the best hand in some respects. victory, with normal tactics will be at a distance ..

#36 June 25th, 2020, 12:33 AM

It stings when you lose after making a good call, but it helps a little knowing you made the correct decision

#37 July 12th, 2020, 2:49 AM

Originally Posted by abpoker

I would much rather lose from a good call. At least the loss is somewhat softened by the fact that my play was correct.

Similar with me, but it is more the fact that making a bad call makes me feel worse. It is one thing to lose (happens even when we play it perfectly as favorite is not 100%), but to know I misplayed it is worse. Then I know it was on me; if I lose off a good call, then it is just luck and that is not in my control. My making a bad call is in my control and should be avoided in the future whenever possible.

#38 July 12th, 2020, 2:56 AM

Well for sure I prefer to lose a certain player because I know that in the short term I will win

#39 July 12th, 2020, 6:11 AM

First of all, let's state the obvious. I would really rather just win. But when it comes to losing, I would rather lose to good player with a good hand. Then I don't have problem saying "Nice hand. Good game. Good luck." On the other hand, when some donkey fart makes a horrible move with bottom pair and a weak kicker, and I pick him off because I've been paying attention and put him on his exact range, only for him to hit a 2 outer on the river, I'm never going to have any kind of nice, encouraging words for that guy. It doesn't help matters at all when the guy who just doubled through you manages to blow off 60xBB before the button can orbit the table.

But that's just me.

#40 July 12th, 2020, 7:11 AM

Usually, I try to be patient and play only with strong cards. I do not like to count on luck. The skills and discipline of the player are more important. That is why I avoid bad calls.

#41 July 16th, 2020, 3:19 PM

i dont mind losing to a good call makes me furious when someone calls with a bad hand and gets lucky.

#42 July 16th, 2020, 6:58 PM

There is nothing about losing that is palatable. Good or bad call, worse is a suckout. Quick analysis and move on is what works for me.

#43 July 16th, 2020, 7:03 PM

certainly losing with a good call is horrible but i hope i can learn more each day and more i know that i wont always win more i hope to learn lessons from all of them.
Envi

#44 July 16th, 2020, 7:52 PM

I think it's best not to lose at all.

#45 July 16th, 2020, 9:33 PM

I prefer to lose from a bad or good raise, 3-bet, or overbet, but not from a call, there is no power in the call and there is no fold equity, I prefer to put my opponents in an awkward position than to puzzle myself in front of me or behind. Rather lose with good or bad call?

#46 July 18th, 2020, 2:19 AM

I personally don�t mind if I make a good call and get sucked out on. As long as I�m making good decisions and playing well the immediate result doesn�t matter. Playing well will equal a positive ev in the long run.

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