Too many bad players at a table.

Question, wanna know what you think? Is it possible to have too many donks in one game make it ALMOST impossible to win at that game?.... I think so.

I feel you there, if there are too many players that have no clue it is a lot harder to make "intelligent" plays. I just try to think back at my lucky days when I didn't have a clue.

Old folks have a saying for your case:

"If you can't beat them - join them"

Watching how to understand this expression. Bad players can be those who constantly make all in, for me this is a bad player, it makes me angry. And if I look at it that way, I'm still interested in playing, I'll still win!

It depends on what game you're playing . If Freeroll the stupid there lack . It's hard to play against them there . Usually they have only 2 buttons-all-n and fold ! If the money is there, little stupid !

No it's not possible. It's like saying, I can't run my business because I have too many customers and I can't possibly serve them all.

Adapt and be frustrated, and be very profitable.

Just a side note, that adapt part is quite hard, but doable.

They increase variance.

That's the problem with freerolls even good players play different and "take a chance" if a buy in was involved the good player would play better.

No.. That is exactly what you want.. I mean standard ABC poker wins against bad players. If you don't want to play against bad players send them over to me.

Would you rather play at a table full of players better than you? I'll take the bad players anytime, just bide your time and take them down one at a time. If you find yourself at a table with no bad players at all, doesn't that make you the bad player?

Yes it makes in bingo. But just have to play super tight and pick your spots.

Its better than All Pros that Make you the Donk to them...lol

I can understand what you are saying.

It will increase variance and with some players it can be damn near impossible to hand read. When I am faced with a table like this I tend to play very passive until I am holding the nuts.

I would actually want to be at a table where everyone is better than me... sure I’ll lose in the beginning but eventually I’ll get better, and eventually I won’t be the worst player. In fact if I could play higher limits than $5/10 I would, and I would lose, and I’d be okay with that as long as I’m learning. But I don’t have a bankroll to play bigger.
Look I very seldom play $1/2 anymore as this is where you can see (on average) an entire table of donks. But every once in a while I do play $1/2 if there isn’t a bigger game, and it’s always a reminder of why I have no patience to play these stakes. Hell, I’m not frustrated or even upset when someone catches a 1 or 2 outers on me at these stakes to scoop a pot, because I understand that they don’t know what they are doing and they are there to gamble not to play poker. My hole question was just to see what people think when they sit down at a table like this. Just for conversation sake.

I love it, just got to be patient and they will give their money to you at some point

Honestly I find playing postflop in position against bad players to be the best way of dealing with them. Furthermore, against calling stations you want to bet for thin value like crazy as even your mediocre holdings typically beat most of what your opponent likely has.

No one will respond to your play. Just play as tight as you can, wait for a hand and play it. You can use some situations like to attack bb from sb if no one called or raised before that and such.

I know what you mean...
makes me think about folding AA preflop, to a guy shoving over and over.
punk will most likely get lucky.
i always say, its not the best wins that make it to FT , its the best folds.
GL

gday all...the more [ bad ] players the better..you should win out in the end.....thanks darrell

Sometimes the presence of bad players is on hand. If you play against them carefully, you can use the bad game of the opponents.

poker is not only skill is a game of luck is an intuition prediction game avaces if we have an idea that we are going to lose because the way we make a move the opponent we assume that I match the color or the ladder I have seen many good players with strategies without premium cards make a pot and categorize bad players that is why you all have different types of games and supertitions at the time of playing do not judge or criticize any if there are players who play for playing and make poker a heavy game but it is easy to detect them and put them in a situation where you will get out of them quickly but not always but most are gamblers with a plan and a strategy

Finally....someone that makes sense. If someone (like me) joined a club and read these posts you would be left feeling like apparently anytime you win a hand you'll be screamed at as a donk or worse cussed out (Even when you say nice hand?)

95% of the people here will not make a living playing poker.

100% of the people here have played the exact hands they yell at others about...even in the same game

There are soooo many ways to plays. So many variables to consider that even posting that somehow there is only one way to play a particular hand is silly...

In another club I was in (Dice game so even wilder randomness) we set up a bad beat thread for the WINNER to post because it helps people see that yeah...it sucks to lose a hand your ahead in...but that's all it is. You were ahead in a game where all the cards had yet to be seen. You also win as many as you lose. Just last night I went all in with 3 Aces against a "Good or well known" player and he drew K/Q and his straight beat me. Is he a donk? Or worse? Should I have cussed him out?

You play the odds you win more than you lose. You EXCLUSIVELY play the odds you will probably win more than you lose but you won't always win because the odds don't always happen.

Finally....go ahead and call me any name you want...your playing at a free roll or small stakes table. I have a style, very different than conservative players....yet it works for me. Sure I play myself out of tourneys but as the stakes increase my game does too. Cuss me out for playing the same hand you do 3 deals later...its fine.

Maybe people at tables should realize the other players are not there to play their cards he exact same way you would. They are their to play their own way. As my buddies used to say

"You play your cards, I'll play mine."

Also, this is a hobby for me and the vast majority of people here. Fun...if your sweating losing in free rolls and low stakes then invest your money in $100 games and take your chances. It will crack me up to the end of my days the whining I see in free rolls and the ease with which people think they are the pro's.

There are bunch of them on limit $0.25 and $2.2. Even more than in $0.10 tourneys or freerolls...
No you can beat 1-2 bad players but if full table of them they will beat you.

Bad players are full, though I play mostly freerolls, so it is difficult to judge the total weight, those who play tournaments in a million can there is another field, but freerolls is kapets! At least yesterday in the cardchat Freeroll I went all-in with AJo against me exhibited a player with a stack 2 times large, with a hand Q10o and he beat me! Although in all the books that the player meets the all-in must have a BETTER hand than the one who put first! And tell me, with what hand should I go to all-in to be answered by a person with Q10o???

I love bad players at my table. Be patient and play my game and take their money.

the more bad players the better...
if you cant beat bad people how
will you beat good players?

will there be more bad beats when
you play against loose beginners?
of course, but you can also win significantly
more from them because they will
pay against your good hands more often than
good players will....

Yes, that's right, I use the same tactic when playing with such players.

Yea but this is a terrible way to look at things.. honestly you need to concentrate on how to beat 1/2 before playing an even harder game. A large part of making money money in this game is table selection and having an edge. Studying helps you learn, playing against bad players get you paid. Honestly sounds like your playing games you shouldn’t play and losing money you don’t need too lose.

I’m very confused by this post. I don’t see where you’re seeing that people are “yelling” at players and how they play their hand... matter of fact I go out of my way while at the table to not say anything about how someone is playing especially if it’s poor, because that costs me money. If you want to play “your” style you should. Any advice given on the threads is aimed at making the most profitable long term decision. No one was calling you a name? Or saying your strategies are poor. YOU know if your strategies are good or not based on your results. Reaults don’t lie. This thread is about bad players “do you want to play with them or is it better to play with good players” there is varying thoughts on this. It’s obvious though that if making money is your reasoning behind playing poker, then you want as many bad players at your table as possible.

I disagree with this

You got exactly what you wanted. You got it in with the best hand. If you continue doing this over the long term you will win. This is exactly what you want to happen.

Thank you for helping me see that the post was not really accurate. I was coming off back to back tournaments where I had said "NH" to someone and was greeted by a bunch of profanity (?) but they were not CC events. So I meant live play, not the comments on this thread but now I see the confusion and I apologize.

Yea, some people suck. Don’t let them tilt you. Respect is important in this game. Sorry you dealt with some disrespectful people.

. All games I've played I get better when I play someone my level or a bit better, I get that. But them games are not for money and in poker they will be bad and good players at all buy ins. Sounds like you unlucky patch at mo

When you have a table open, you have no idea who is a bad player. Just because they go all in doesn’t mean they’re bad players. At low stakes they tend to be less prudent.
It becomes very low risk vs big reward , I try to fight through them and play. Try to learn and win. The only option is to not play, I’m playing!

I honestly find it very confusing that nobody actually asked OP what he means by "bad".

There are so many mistakes you can make in this game and each mistake has it's unique exploit.

So when you think of yourself as the next Gus Hansen and you want to bluff people off of hands...and they just don't fold, well, don't bluff, wait for a hand and take them to value town.

If you flopped a set and they called your potsize bet twice, you went all in on the river when the 3rd spade hit and they show you a flush...well, don't go all in, bet 1/2 pot and fold when they raise....a couple of BB saved.


Also, bad players DON'T INCREASE YOUR VARIANCE! They DECREASE variance. That's very important to understand.

Thing is, most people start to gamble against calling stations or maniacs although that's not necessary. Let's put it this way: When you know, that every set, str8, flush and boat you make is gonna be paid with a villains full stack, why would you call a shove with QQ or JJ??? Because it's supposed to be correct?? Bullshit.
If all it takes is two big hands to double or tripple my buy in, why would you even think about playing coinflips with QQ against his J9o? Just to tilt when he hits trips on the flop?

If you have a skill edge, play to maximise your skill edge. Take them to the flop, wait for a made hand and stack them. Do not gamble, do not bloat the pot. Play small pots untill you got the nuts and push once you got there. Against good players you need to gamble sometimes....but never against bad ones.




You can beat every game once you're good enough. If you lose against beginners, you're simply not good enough yourself.
And honestly, there's nothing better than a table full of aggro donks who splash and spew like there's no tomorrow.

P.A.T.I.E.N.C.E.
best tool against weak players

Sometimes it feels that way in poker. But in the long run you want bad players to make mistakes in calling your raises when you got a good hand. You will win more often then you lose in poker.

Multiple bad calls can decrease your margins and increase variance, but I salivate at the thought of "too many donks" and the numbers of large pots I could pull from the table with time and patience.

agreed
The more bad players the more money you make

i love this players. i wait patiently and raise with the nuts. iwon much with this strategy

It's about the money. People here sound like they have never sat in a real cash game, because you would not see anyone going all in with their real money stack the way the Allen idiots do on these sites, like with 7-9 off suit.
It doesn't even deserve to be labeled a Varience.
$$$$$$$$

I was thinking more so that all the easier to be the best player at the table?

In that case if table full of donks you must use that,they no clue what they doing but you did,answer is how play donk,agressive,check call,and when you know play of all donks on table use that and go with different strategy on different donk styles...good luck

Дуже відповідне порівняння, я в захваті, краще не думати! Добре зроблено!)

You can lose vs very bad players in the short term because of variance yes,but over the long haul the more bad players the merrier.

You do not have any games, it's best to extract as much money as possible.

Good post, the one from spewster

always has, especially in micro and low stacks. The secret is always try to play small pairs for tree of a kind and sweet connectors for sequencing and flush. In addition to the premium hands

Well it is frustrating and boring and high-variance to play a table full of donks. But it's 100% winnable, for sure, you just need to make some adjustments in your play