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Pot Equity vs Pot Odds
Hi Guys,
I'm struggling a bit with this concept. Been playing poker for a long time, but looking to be more successful in the long run and really want to master this concept, can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? ___________ Let’s say I have j10. Unsuited Preflop, betting made the pot total $10. The flop comes 982. Rainbow. I am assuming my opponent is not on a straight draw and really has flopped a pair of 9’s with A9 unsuited. I am in last position. So I am anticipating that I have 12 outs to win this pot. JJJ, 101010, QQQ, 777. This would give me roughly a 36% chance of drawing out on this hand in Pot Equity. And 3:1 pot odds. 12 cards that save me, while 35 that kill me. With a bet up to $4.30 I will call because I have pot odds. But with pot equity, I am being told that for every dollar I bet, I only get to keep $0.72 of it in this scenario. So I have negative pot equity and should stay away from this draw because in the long run I will always lose money on draws with only 12 of 47 outs? Or does Pot Odds always take precedence in Cash Games? 
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Well the two concepts are there to do different things.
Pot equity is the equity of the pot, not just your bet. The equity is what part of that pot as a whole you should "get." Regardless of whether you win or lose you "get" that much. The purpose is to focus on the decision making, long term what that play will net you. Pot odds on the other hand, will tell you the likelihood of winning this hand. The two concepts are used to different ends. The odds will tell you if this one call is going to tell you what amount of the time you win and lose. If you have the right odds you should always call. When you make this call you now have gained pot equity, which really you can use to see what your long term results should be of what you just did. Combining the two like you did will result in confusion. It also ignored implied odds, which is important if you plan on doing more than breaking even. Also you are 1:3 of hitting your hand on the next card. 1:3 is 25%. For every 1x you draw out 3x's you will not. Those two things are kind of the same. I think you are having a little confusion over terminology, or perhaps I am. 
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i may be wrong with my numbers but when i learned calculating outs vs odds, theres a basic rule of thumb of 4 and 2. your outs on the flop times 4 equals your % of winning the hand and on the turn you multiply x2. So in this scenario you actually have 14 outs 4 7s 4 Qs 3 Js and 3 10s... 14x4 gives you 56% chance of winning the hand meaning your a favorite regardless of your pot odds.

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aka: You will see both cards guaranteed. If you end up folding the turn card to a strong bet, scare card, etc; then you only end up using the "2" rule since you are only seeing one card. 
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re: Poker & Pot Equity vs Pot Odds
Pot odds are the ratio of the current size of the pot to the cost of a contemplated call.
Pot equity is your percentage chance of winning the pot at any given point in a hand. That percentage is the amount of equity you have in the pot or how much of the pot "belongs to you". You have to compare both percentage or ratio and evaluate what to do next. Goodluck. 
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Rule of 4 only applies if you're seeing flop to river. Otherwise flop to turn and turn to river uses rule of 2, so you only have 28% equity if I'm correct here. Gives you odds 2.5:1 to call the flop bet. You can take some implied odds into the picture, but unless villain is a maniac he wont be paying you off often when you do make your hand

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Think about it this way, the odds of making a flush from flop to river are 2:1 (33%) but if you're calling a bet on the flop your odds of making a flush on the turn are 4:1 (20%) and you need to have these pot odds to make a call. 
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re: Poker & Pot Equity vs Pot Odds
Hmm... I may have messed up my last post a bit. Yes, you do have 56% equity on the flop, but when calculating outs you need to use the rule of 2 because you're only paying to see one card which will improve your hand 28% of the time. However if you're calling a bet to see both turn and river then you can use the rule of 4 to calculate your equity and turn it into pot odds.
