theANMATOR
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For those who don't know WTSD is - you probably don't have much useful input to share, but WTSD is went to showdown.
I was looking at stats last night as I diligently folded away on 4 tables and one guy on one table stood out to me because he had some really overly aggro numbers - and these players are prime targets. But his WTSD was like 15%. So he was VERY (overly) aggressive preflop and on the flop/turn - and he was either taking down the pot before the river, or folding before the river.
I looked at my stats on all 4 tables and my WTSD ranged from 34% to 70%. The 70% was on a 6max tourney, but the two in between numbers were 51% and 43%.
So I'm all over the map with this stat. I did not take note of my sample size at this time - but in the 6max and another event I was no less than 100 hands in. Certainly 70% is absurdly high - but I was in 2nd place in that event - and ended up placing 3rd - so ?? huh? I also missed FT in one of the middle number events by 3 spots.
So this got me curious - and I went to the google knowledge bank.
Everything I could find was from like 2008 (not very relevant) and the majority of info was from cash games, also - not relatable to my curiosity.
The most recent WTSD content I could find was on blackrains site. However he is primarily a cash game grinder who prefers 6max - and his information certainly has to be inaccurate to a tournament grinder. And even more odd was his suggested optimal numbers were low 25% for a TAG anything over 30% is considered a losing REC player. Certainly this is exclusive to 6max cash games?
A link on RedShark Poker (first time visiting that site) suggested less than 25% is TIGHT, 25-35% is optimal and over 35% is considered a station. I'm not familiar with RedShark so I'm not using those numbers as gospel.
Maybe my samples in the two other events were low, or maybe I was just getting strong hands to take to showdown. I certainly know I'm not a calling station - but my numbers on this day really seemed to be WAY too HIGH!
Anyone have any input on this topic as it relates to tournaments?
I was looking at stats last night as I diligently folded away on 4 tables and one guy on one table stood out to me because he had some really overly aggro numbers - and these players are prime targets. But his WTSD was like 15%. So he was VERY (overly) aggressive preflop and on the flop/turn - and he was either taking down the pot before the river, or folding before the river.
I looked at my stats on all 4 tables and my WTSD ranged from 34% to 70%. The 70% was on a 6max tourney, but the two in between numbers were 51% and 43%.
So I'm all over the map with this stat. I did not take note of my sample size at this time - but in the 6max and another event I was no less than 100 hands in. Certainly 70% is absurdly high - but I was in 2nd place in that event - and ended up placing 3rd - so ?? huh? I also missed FT in one of the middle number events by 3 spots.
So this got me curious - and I went to the google knowledge bank.
Everything I could find was from like 2008 (not very relevant) and the majority of info was from cash games, also - not relatable to my curiosity.
The most recent WTSD content I could find was on blackrains site. However he is primarily a cash game grinder who prefers 6max - and his information certainly has to be inaccurate to a tournament grinder. And even more odd was his suggested optimal numbers were low 25% for a TAG anything over 30% is considered a losing REC player. Certainly this is exclusive to 6max cash games?
A link on RedShark Poker (first time visiting that site) suggested less than 25% is TIGHT, 25-35% is optimal and over 35% is considered a station. I'm not familiar with RedShark so I'm not using those numbers as gospel.
Maybe my samples in the two other events were low, or maybe I was just getting strong hands to take to showdown. I certainly know I'm not a calling station - but my numbers on this day really seemed to be WAY too HIGH!
Anyone have any input on this topic as it relates to tournaments?
