Super Turbo's on Fulltilt

[BelgoSuisse]

This is showing your lack of experience of sng.It is a huge gap between turbo sng's an hyper-super whatever you want to call them.The pushing range from the very start of it is wide open from any an all postions at any bi levels in a turbo it is limited untill blinds go up to about 100-200 for the same pushing ranges.

Yes the pushing ranges are a lot wider from the start for super turbos. But with the slower sngs, you rarely have a lot of action at the low blinds levels unless you play microstakes, so in the end you still end up push-folding for the most part.

the skills required to beat the different SNG speeds are essentially the same. super turbos do have more variance than the turbos, and those have more variance than the regulars, but the games are really not that different strategy-wise.

 

[WurlyQ]

Yes the pushing ranges are a lot wider from the start for super turbos. But with the slower sngs, you rarely have a lot of action at the low blinds levels unless you play microstakes, so in the end you still end up push-folding for the most part.

The higher you go, the less that playing purely with optimal push/fold will work meaning that you need to be able to fight for chip position earlier on. You won't be able to stack fish earlier on but this doesn't mean you should just nit your way to push/fold territory as you'll be at a significant disadvantage when you start at a smaller chip stack and your push/fold edge is not that large. When you are very deep, there is the opportunity to "play poker" but because you need a higher +EV expectation, it's much harder to do so in SnGs than cash.

the skills required to beat the different SNG speeds are essentially the same. super turbos do have more variance than the turbos, and those have more variance than the regulars, but the games are really not that different strategy-wise.

The skills required to beat the end game of SnGs is the same as the skills required to beat super turbos. The skills required to gain a chip edge early in a normal SnG is nonexistent in super turbos.

Also, as I stated before, the fact that games are super turbos has nothing to do with increased variance. If someone has the exact same cashing distribution in a super turbo as a normal SnG, they will have the same amount of variance. By saying that variance is higher in super turbos, you are essentially implying that there is a greater skill edge in normal SnGs than super turbos.

 

[coolnout]

There's a couple vids on youtube I found. These look so fun: YouTube - The $3.50 Super-Turbo, A Microcosm of low limit poker?

 

[NiceNisus]

Belgo maybe I didn't make an intelligent enough post.
at the start sure you have 10-20 BBs, but that rapidly deteriorates.
if you get a hand good enough to push with you'll do okay, but it's very easy to end up pushing a marginal hand in order to try to steal a pot/get lucky and double up when your M gets low.
A good player over the long run could show a profit in these against worse opponents (and in these $3-$10 buy-in games there would be less knowledgeable opponents around),
But the variance is high like was said, and you need a large BR for this reason.
The reason I said it's for degenerates and the rich is because of the high variance factor. Also I'm used to watching the > $100 buy-in Super Turbos (to play this you need to be rich in my opinion or okay with losing ^ $100 in a few minutes). and the degenerates who see it as a win big quick thing make it profitable in the long run for good/great players.
Maybe this post is more agreeable to you, I put more thought and explanation into it.

 

[NiceNisus]

Wurly has also made many intelligent statements ^^.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

By saying that variance is higher in super turbos, you are essentially implying that there is a greater skill edge in normal SnGs than super turbos.

yes. it is greater. No doubt whatsoever about that. Just not so much greater that it makes super-turbos an entirely different game from other SNGs that deserves to be called a lottery or other demeaning names.

People who think that way either underestimate the strategy involved in playing super turbos or the variance that one experiences when you play regular or turbo SNGs at mid or high stakes.

I think you have a pretty clear idea about these, btw. But most other people in this thread don't.

 

[RA2000]

Depends on the players at your table.
If they play losse then wait until you got a good hand.
And vice versa....

 

[pokerkid150]

super turbo's are freaking sick...

i was playing in a superturbo 10buks to get in...n it was sick.........first place won like 1300....in a matter of 30 minutes...i made it pretty far too but lost as soon as i hit the money....suks....

 

[dresturn2]

all in or nothing in these....i would however play more hands it late position with decent cards.....any 60 40 gamble or better preflop im in

 

[undone]

I think they are very hard to cash in because you gotta get lucky early and get dealt a good hand with no one else having a better one to call... they are tough to me... just dont like pushing all in.. seems like they are complete luck