Is it common to be dealt pocket kings and run into pocket aces ? This has happened the last 3 times I’ve had pocket kings, busting out twice, although the other time flopped the king and doubled up too huge stack and final tabled the tournament

The chance for someone to have AA, if you dont hold an A, is around 0,5%. So if 9 players were dealt in the hand, 4% of the time someone will have AA, when you have KK or any other hand with no A. If you hold an A yourself like for instance AK, someone else will have AA 2% of the time.

Hello! Happy Easter guys!! Dan Harrington (in his first book for tournaments) said that when you have Kings, your enemy would have Aces 1 of 24 times!

you should never folding KK

I’ve just been knock out holding AA, MTT opponent had KK and flopped a set��. I was BB he raised 4x blinds so I pushed. AA is my least favorite hand.

It happens sometimes, but I don’t that is going to be so often. KK is really nice hand to have

Cooler. Never folding Kings

Yea, I figure that if you have kk and run into aa, you will still win about 20% of the time

This is the definition of a cooler only saving grace is it goes both ways so sometimes you will be the one holding the aces my friend!

Odds you run into AA while holding KKs is 3.63% 9 handed.
Odds you bust them out is 20%.

But odds you have a large stack running into another large stack willing to call a 5 bet, while holding KKs is much higher than 3.39%.

It happens more often than you would think. Happened to me the only wsop event I ever played. Sucks but what can you do. If you play long enough it happens from time to time.

Originally Posted by blix177

Odds you run into AA while holding KKs is 3.63% 9 handed.
Odds you bust them out is 20%.

But odds you have a large stack running into another large stack willing to call a 5 bet, while holding KKs is much higher than 3.39%.

I’ll take those odds!

Did you know odds of getting your Aces cracked twice is a roll is 4%.

If you want something to throw you in a tilt, nothing beats seeing 2 pairs of aces cracked.

This situation is rather rare, but often my kings flop a set

yes always comes yes 100% 50% comes As both at the table and in the opponent's hand depends a lot on your action on this type of play!

Originally Posted by fundiver199

The chance for someone to have AA, if you dont hold an A, is around 0,5%. So if 9 players were dealt in the hand, 4% of the time someone will have AA, when you have KK or any other hand with no A. If you hold an A yourself like for instance AK, someone else will have AA 2% of the time.

Thanks for sharing this information.
It's an eyeopener!

Yeah, those things definitely happen. Once out of 25 or so. If it happened once there's still a 1 out of 25 chance it'll happen the next time too. 1 out of 625 times it'll happen the next two times! We always notice that, but never seem to notice the 24 times there aren't pocket aces.....only the 5 times they get cracked

Clasic cooler happens sometimes.

People on here are playing way to scared, I don't know if its because overall you guys are not aggressive enough in general or if you all just play low stakes where everyone is relatively tight, If you are only opening monsters of course you are going to run into this spot.

You need to be opening somewhere around the GTO theory of about 16.5% of hands when folded to you in late position with a mid-deep stack otherwise you are just asking for trouble.


Lets start playing a little bit more looser and throw the chips around you'll be surprised how far you go.

Na man it's just bad luck, KK will almost always be good. I've only folded them once pre flop and it turns out the guy had JJ. haha

chance of getting a pair aces 221/1

definitely hold onto those kings

If you are out of position and open raised with KK slightly larger than it used to be than you gave him indicator that you too have set just play as you planned openraise if he three bets you than 4 bet and if he 5 bet jam on you and he is tight player than its a sign that he too have QQ, KK or AA but you have KK that leaves behind QQ and AA. Now it's upto you to go for it or fold preflop.

I also believe that kings should not be discarded. After all, the kings have good chances even against dropping

Originally Posted by DonkArmyFish

People on here are playing way to scared

I think, the more common problem is, that a lot of people are very results oriented. They focus on short term variance, coolers and bad beats rather than the close decisions, which actually makes the difference in the long run. Like for instance "Do I call or fold in BB with KJo, when BTN has open jammed with a 12BB stack, and I cover him with 28BB near the bubble". These are the kind of situations, where we actually have a decision to make, whereas a hand like KK usually play itself at least preflop.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

I think, the more common problem is, that a lot of people are very results oriented. They focus on short term variance, coolers and bad beats rather than the close decisions, which actually makes the difference in the long run. Like for instance "Do I call or fold in BB with KJo, when BTN has open jammed with a 12BB stack, and I cover him with 28BB near the bubble". These are the kind of situations, where we actually have a decision to make, whereas a hand like KK usually play itself at least preflop.

I would totally agree, as I'm fully aware that this is me to an extent/at times.
The improvements in my game need to come from a better understanding of the difficult spots, and defining whether what I'm doing are the correct long term decisions.

In the example you use above I think I'm calling, what do you think is correct? If I have less chips then I'd start leaning towards a fold depending on how short.

Originally Posted by SpanRmonka

In the example you use above I think I'm calling, what do you think is correct? If I have less chips then I'd start leaning towards a fold depending on how short.

Against most opponents I would fold. I think, a lot of people are jamming to tight on the bubble, because they dont want to bust, and against a somewhat tight range KJo will not have amazing equity. In top of that for future playability losing another 11BB will hurt me more, than winning 13,5BB will help. So I prefer to pass on this spot, but I dont think, calling is a big mistake

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Against most opponents I would fold. I think, a lot of people are jamming to tight on the bubble, because they dont want to bust, and against a somewhat tight range KJo will not have amazing equity. In top of that for future playability losing another 11BB will hurt me more, than winning 13,5BB will help. So I prefer to pass on this spot, but I dont think, calling is a big mistake

That's a really interesting way to look at it, rather than what is the correct decision, what will the outcome be at this point in the tourney for how I can play.
Cheers

I feel like this happens so often online. Almost makes you wanna fold them..

Not sure where i read this years ago but every 25 times you have pocket kings they said you will mathematically run into aces. Really not sure it is accurate but based on my experiences is may not be that far off,

Originally Posted by DonkArmyFish

People on here are playing way to scared, I don't know if its because overall you guys are not aggressive enough in general or if you all just play low stakes where everyone is relatively tight, If you are only opening monsters of course you are going to run into this spot.

You need to be opening somewhere around the GTO theory of about 16.5% of hands when folded to you in late position with a mid-deep stack otherwise you are just asking for trouble.


Lets start playing a little bit more looser and throw the chips around you'll be surprised how far you go.

Yes, aggressive play is often rewarded by poker rooms. Often a player who often plays small 9j or 10q cards catches straights and colors to the detriment of players who play very tightly only ak, aa or kk cards. Many players play very tight tournaments until their chips run out waiting for kk or aa!

Sometimes Aces and Kings meet. That the Kings lose to the Aces is much more unpleasant than the Aces lose to the Kings.
Overall, it’s not good to be on the losing side in either situation.

A king divided into a hand is a pair of cards that cannot be discarded, even if sometimes the pair of aces takes it. In most cases, it will be a winner.

I always worry when I have pocket kings. Party Poker and Poker Stars give the opponent aces and always put an ace on the table.

It doesn't happen often, but when it happens, it takes away your tournament life.

Happens. I never fold kings it's just a losing decision in the long run, especially at microstakes. There could be KK,QQ,JJ,1010, AK, AQ, AJ, + players making a move on you or trying to push you out of the pot. So my answer is NO... once I got kings it's no foldem holdem for me(preflop).

Originally Posted by akgross

I always worry when I have pocket kings. Party Poker and Poker Stars give the opponent aces and always put an ace on the table.

Happens everywhere unfortunately, specially when the ace hits the table on the river.
I saw this many times in real table. After betting, and raising holding kings, and on the river.
what did come? Just an ace.

1 minute you comment on a thread......next min, here it comes. Luckily for me I was on the right end of it!!

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I think everyone has run KK into AA - happens rarely but sure stands out in your mind for awhile. I can't remember last time someone ran their KK into my AA however, but I've certainly been on that side too. I think it is even more upsetting to play KK and get to a flop just fearing that an ace will show itself (and my memory says this happens every time...). Play the kings hard!

If you have received pocket kings, then you can always be afraid of aces from your opponents. If you play heads-up, your opponent will get pocket aces only once out of 220 hands. But at a full-ring table against 8 opponents, the chances that someone will get aces against your pocket kings is 1 to 25. We play aggressively and think.

Originally Posted by Mikeuly1969

Is it common to be dealt pocket kings and run into pocket aces ? This has happened the last 3 times I’ve had pocket kings, busting out twice, although the other time flopped the king and doubled up too huge stack and final tabled the tournament

unfortunately it happens ... but you can still call yourself lucky. one win in three case is a good rate !

Once I had kk and my opponent had AA and the flop was AK and then there was another K on the river and of course I was very happy about it. but you can just as easily lose time and time again. Another time I had AA and got my set on the flop but lost to 37.Certainly AA KK are very strong hands preflop, but whether that will still be the case after the flop is something you can never know beforehand. That is why it is important to keep the hand as correct as possibleCertainly AA KK are very strong hands preflop, but whether that will still be the case after the flop is something you can never know beforehand. The best thing you can do just play, you win, then you're happy you lose, you lose, well, it's poker. Next time you win

AA vs KK reminds me of a specific hand I played on cash game..

Third hand of the session on Button, I got KK and player in BB woke up with Aces. As per HUD, he was a loose spewy opponent.
Ended up losing a buyin on 3rd hand of the session. It is what it is, not much to analyze in such spots. He could have played AK, JJ+ in a similar way.

Originally Posted by Mikeuly1969

Is it common to be dealt pocket kings and run into pocket aces ? This has happened the last 3 times I’ve had pocket kings, busting out twice, although the other time flopped the king and doubled up too huge stack and final tabled the tournament

Extremely common. PP vs PP happens all of the time. The small and medium PP tend to fold on earlier streets because they are set mining, or fear an overcard, so you often only see them when a board was safe or they hit a set. AA and KK are frequently an overpair to the board and usually won't fold even if they might be beat. AA figures it is only beat by two pair+, and KK figures it is only beat by AA+, so they both optimistically make it to the river hoping they are up against a stubborn TPTK or a worse PP.

And of course preflop they are the two best hands, and expect to get called by worse PP and AK so they are often all in preflop against each other.

See the 'Gordon Pair Principle' - odds of a higher PP being dealt to one of the remaining players when you have a PP and are first in the pot.

https://poker.stackexchange.com/ques...-a-pocket-pair

I have stopped thinking about this situations. The hand plays itself and there is no value pondering over the situation.

Other day I lost with KK against 55 heads-up in a Sit n go. We both played the hand correctly and I lost.

if You got less then 50 bb always calling pre flop with KK

the standard situation(especially on GG). on the preflop, I try to disperse the bank as much as possible.a board without an ace is all in. but you can also get into trouble on the board without an ace

Originally Posted by mateuszjason

if You got less then 50 bb always calling pre flop with KK

I'm not sure.we need to look at the situation.

Originally Posted by jorik2006

I'm not sure.we need to look at the situation.

well i read a Daniels Negraneu book, POWER STRATEGY, and he wrote that always playing kings pre flop when got less then 50bb.

I think that Daniel is know what he is writing on it Mate.

I wish I'd got a £1 for every time I've gone in heavy on KK and walked straight into ace's. i can count on one finger the times I've won. like all hands, you must weight up all aspects at the time.....And then it's still pot luck!!

You will come across this situation more often in the future and there is nothing you can do about it. Pocket kings is not foldable preflop in my opinion. When you run into aces you have to grudgingly accept that. If you have kings you don't block an ace and that someone has aces is a little more likely than if you hold AK, for example. With AK you block an ace and a king, which makes it less likely that you will run against aces or kings. You have a good chance of winning against any other hand. Because of this, AK can sometimes be more valuable than pocket kings.