This is a discussion on Pocket 8-8 how would you play? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; UTG+1: 34.6 BB
MP: 46.1 BB
CO: 24.2 BB
BTN: 40.8 BB
Hero (SB): 35.1 BB
BB: 23.1 BB
UTG: 36.3 BB
You have only two options, reraise or fold because you are out of position. If you call and you’re 8 don’t come on the flop, and original raiser bet again what will you do? Call again and hoping for miracle with your two outs? My thinking is that calling in situation like this is wasting of chips? So raise or fold!
I'd like to know if the opponent has been generally passive or aggressive post flop, because I'm between two thoughts on this hand. I'll assume you were just transferred to the table and you're playing against this guy cold.
I don't see calling as a big mistake here. It keeps your range really wide and lets you play options on the flop without giving anything away. I don't like the raise because you can't call a 4 bet and getting called dosen't tell you much.
It's going to come down to post flop play. The pot will be about 10bb or so which makes bet sizing important.
Either you're going to out flop him, out play him, or give up on the hand. I just don't see the need to make those decisions pre flop before 60% of the community cards are dealt.
Well... That's what I think anyway.
It's going to be tough to simply call in this spot unless you're super confident in your postflop game against this specific player. Raise or fold is also going to depend on alot on the tournament situation and this specific players raising tendencies and your perceived tendencies. This is an awkward spot for sure. I think I would lean towards a 3 bet but also fold this holding a good chunk of the time. You'll want a game plan if you intend to raise in this spot. Raising to 13 BB or so seems unlikely to be called. UTG+1 will probably jam or fold, so you'll want to know if you're raise/folding or raise/calling before you put in your initial 3bet.
UTG+1 is raising against 7 players as he is the first to act pre-flop.So considering his position,it can tell us something about his range.Raising in early position is a strong play,so i would put him on JJ+ pocket pairs and AJ+ kind of hands. In this situation i believe we would get at least a call even if we 3bet, and possibly even get reraised 4bet.I think here post flop play is more important than the preflop play.So i would seem like protecting my BB and call to see the flop.If i flop a set,i can just trap my opponent and crush him,if not then i would figure my play depending on the flop by considering his position and his range.But no matter what comes on the flop, my first act would be "check".Even if no overcards to my pair come on the flop,my opponent can still be leading with a better pocket pair,but anyway i would call all bets up to the half of the pot on the flop and maybe try to check raise to have a better idea about his range.It would show itself much enough on the flop,so it is easier to decide what to do after that.If he reraises me or shoves my play would definitely be "fold".Thanks and good luck to everyone!
If your just set mining you need 7.5/1, if you think villian will do this wide a 3 bet/fold is probably optimal. I personally fold and look for a better spot, standard players will have 99+ KQs+ from ep.
Is that UTG super aggro? I don't see ppl raise 4x and fold to a re raise often so maybe just flat and see what happens next. you could always hit a set and dog a over pair or maybe he just opens large with AJ+ and misses. I guess tournament stage would matter here also. How deep in the tourney etc etc..There are so many intricacies to poker and regarding specific hands situations it's always hard to give a definitive answer to what the right move is... That is why poker is so interesting!
I play Micro don't trust my opinion!