Please teach your way of thinking about steal.

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Hello. Nice to meet you. Thank you check this thread.

I have a concern.
I played tournament.($100K First Depositors Challenge) 888poker.
Place paid 10/633.

I put a reference image.

I think "that will work itself out somehow" even if I do nothing.

Tournament is drawing close.
My place is 3rd→4th→7 out of 16→7 out of 13th→11 out of 13.(bubble)
Other players increase tips.Tournament finish is soon. But my end is coming.

I fold 39 hands out of 42. I fold Continue 31 times (from 44,K3o is no one bet) and I made up my mind to shove(AQo).
(To tell the truth、I thought that it was slightly in danger when I did not do
something in this scene. And I thought about waiting a little more.)

I do such an experience many times in the past.

It's not bad beat. Luck was enough. It is my complete skill lack.
(All 248 hands, I got pod only 29 hands.)
I'm not tilt and not angry.

Seat 1: oleg11041987 ( $124,515 )
Seat 2: panicki ( $111,164 )
Seat 3: MrJerryB ( $74,063 )
Seat 4: Jack29890 ( $85,993 )
Seat 5: parakon ( $58,104 ) 11 out of 13.
Seat 6: pongoburner ( $168,578 ) 1 out of 13
Seat 10: beorling ( $116,531 )

Any guys say "tight style is good".
But I seem to mistake fold hands for tight style.
I was said "you did not think that you called my all-in".
28o hand is according to player's words.

I think that other people were surprised. "OMG".

Valuable ticket of 90 dollars and 220 minutes is gone. This is a result.
I think that way of thinking and how to strategy were change, if the prize money is different in ranking.


Please tell me the importance of the steal blind.

The attack is called the biggest defense.
But I think that it is safe not to attack.
Is it stupid to think so?
I am very poor at the pressure of the opponents.

Do you think If I be ready on my mind , have I got good result?

Is the mind theory really necessary?
Is it useless to take much thinking for a opponents deeply?
The hand range does not change with quantity of the cash,
does the hand range change with the quantity of the tip?

Please tell me the importance of the steal blind(=about a technique,not fold too much.)and your mind theory to playing poker(if you have).
The short words are all right.

I think that there is the problem in various ways.
If you post,I read slowly.Because it is a very fortunate thing for me.

Thank you for reading.
 

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You were a short stack, and you push with AQ, and you got called by Big Stack with shit hand - simple.
It was late phase of the tournament, these things happen.
The smaller is your stack, the more you get called (especially by bigger stack opponents) with shit hands like this one.

And remember.It's only a free tournament.Don't expect so much skill from other players.Many of them, registerde and push all with J3,deuce seven etc. just for fun.

Don't be mad yourself.

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You were a short stack, and you push with AQ, and you got called by Big Stack with shit hand - simple.
It was late phase of the tournament, these things happen.
The smaller is your stack, the more you get called (especially by bigger stack opponents) with shit hands like this one.

And remember.It's only a free tournament.Don't expect so much skill from other players.Many of them, registerde and push all with J3,deuce seven etc. just for fun.

Don't be mad yourself.

;)

Thank you for your reply.

As you say,I might take it too seriously. It's freeroll.

I do not think only of myself and should watch the thing of the other player.

Yesterday, my 78s defeated opponent KK(=4bet call, pre frop all-in) in snap poker.According to the opponent,neither the technique nor shit was there.
How would the opponent think?

I do my best for my presence of mind. But I don't have poker face.

Thank you.:)
 
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you asked about the importance of blind steal, for each successful blind steal you get a free turn around the table, if you have tight image then thats perfect time to keep your chips alive, by time you get your big hands if you have been that tight they have to call you even if they feel they are beat, cus as long as your not holding a pair he will win 40% of the time

another way to look at it is if you hasd been gaining chips against the blinds you could of forced a fold or better yet if double up succeeds you have a much better stack to go on for the win
 
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He is not even a big stack - his one is only slightly bigger than yours.

This was an idiotic, bingo call.

He got lucky. You got a bad beat, although you did nothing wrong.

NOTE: even 7-2 against A-K is 31% to 69% !!!

Almost like a straight draw (OESD) on the flop !!!

So MANY people go allin or call allins with OESD - only 32% chance !!!

But ask them - no one would say they would call allin with 7-2 !!! At the same chance !!!

Well, in this case, you encountered one of the very few donks that was ready to call with such absurd hand.

Calling for 50000+ chips at 3600 BB when your stack is 74000 - absurd...
 
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you asked about the importance of blind steal, for each successful blind steal you get a free turn around the table, if you have tight image then thats perfect time to keep your chips alive, by time you get your big hands if you have been that tight they have to call you even if they feel they are beat, cus as long as your not holding a pair he will win 40% of the time

another way to look at it is if you hasd been gaining chips against the blinds you could of forced a fold or better yet if double up succeeds you have a much better stack to go on for the win


Thank you for your reply.:)
I understand it is necessary to steal blind chips for do not narrow my movement.(=The play that usable hand and freedom work for.)

I always make deadlock in the latter half and am defeated.

It became the end game and understood the reason that the villain who had a lot of tips called frequently.
They look after(=the future of the game).
But I look only my hand then・・・and thinking at that moment.

When myself is a guard(=more than chips for vallian's push),
I don't flat call.

I said to other player "I know bad call, but only 1bb".
He called my all-in. He noticed I have good hand and may be lose.
This is only an example and small chips・・・.
But I understood it well very much for your explanation.

While making the free situation to myself、I put a villain under pressure for tight image, and when my advantageous situation comes I let a villain call it unwillingly.

So many fold is corner myself.
A thief understood an agile reason somehow. They are good steal.They can move
freely.
In short, escape well(=do good blind steal) and I must catch thief.
(=Stop to villain's steal timely.)

I say a joke and am sorry for your serious opinion.

I served as a reference very much. Thank you very much.:)
 
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He is not even a big stack - his one is only slightly bigger than yours.

This was an idiotic, bingo call.

He got lucky. You got a bad beat, although you did nothing wrong.

NOTE: even 7-2 against A-K is 31% to 69% !!!

Almost like a straight draw (OESD) on the flop !!!

So MANY people go allin or call allins with OESD - only 32% chance !!!

But ask them - no one would say they would call allin with 7-2 !!! At the same chance !!!

Well, in this case, you encountered one of the very few donks that was ready to call with such absurd hand.

Calling for 50000+ chips at 3600 BB when your stack is 74000 - absurd...


Thank you for your reply.:)
I was so surprised that indication by you to be over a just argument was sharp.
I called it in OESD as you said and, fortunately, won the other day.

I am going to improve about it on different thread later.
Now because I make a sentence・・・.

I didn't look 27o and not decide to use 27s pre folp. Thinking easy fold.
If I used 27 and some player might be said "jap is fish lol" "idiot." "
If I pushed OESD, they were only thought "jap was lucky".

However, according to you
It is not "lol" but they don't have correct knowledge・・・.
Because you know it is same for you call all-in with OESD or use 27 pre flop
all-in.

I'm very ashamed of myself about what I've thought and prejudice.
The number does not tell a lie.
I did not have interpretation of right probability at all.

When I felt that the hand of the villain was readable a little, I came.
But I understood a reason not to be able to overcome so much well.
My play was not well-grounded about numeric data.

I remembered that I was always said to the boss.
Thinking in a rational way means that not limited to poker.

Before a technique a way of thinking greatly lacks to me.
Excellent people(=like you) thinking is different for me(=deadhead) .
I make smarter efforts. I check a lot.
The new tactics seems to occur.


I thank for your smart, scathing indication very much.:)
 
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people always call tight players in position! it sucks but it happens to me so im going to do it right now.
 
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Had 34 suited and pushed on his raise. guy had qq and I hit a straight. Donk move but suited connecters are likely to have outs on a poket pair especially when you read a faceless flop.
 
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Yesterday i went to 28 in a 27 placing tourney and had qq and raised 1500 had little moire than 5000 chips guy raised me all in with 66s all in hits trip 66 on the river flop 578 8 on turn and 6 river. shit like that always happens to me on the bubble.
 
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people always call tight players in position! it sucks but it happens to me so im going to do it right now.


Thank you for your 3 replies. I'm lucky.
I give answer one by one.

①Late time in the tournament、I don't look weak starting hands by out position player's limp . However in position, the card which I do not imagine comes out.
(=out of my range I think.) Why? I always thought in a question.

When I was performed a raise of from behind player(in position)
I have a bad feeling.
Besides I lose pressure to a former player(out of position)
I was making sandwiches by myself. And It is eaten deliciously. lol.

I'm out of position. I have JJ and fold TT re-raise on flop(Q is here).
I open JJ and villain show TT. He was (one) too many for me.

I'm in position. I have QQ. flop call.
Turn cards come A. villain check and I check back.
River lag. villain bet and I re-raise. But more bets is come bake・・・.
"I had it stolen. It is back raise"
I fold QQ. villain open QJ. She was (one) too many for me.
I was said that "I think you have no A and I set it."

This is happened poker stars premier skill league after this year began.
I am still inexperienced. I'm not premier but discount ・・・.omg.

I think" out of position has Ax" "in position has over pair or over cards".

It is selfish belief. Not the card which was strong for them,
I completely forgot that an FLOP shift had the superiority of the position.

I think more carefully. I am sorry that a sentence is long.

Thanks.:)
 
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Had 34 suited and pushed on his raise. guy had qq and I hit a straight. Donk move but suited connecters are likely to have outs on a poket pair especially when you read a faceless flop.


②I usually look suited connecter and like A3s were used by person with high rank of the status at 6max(zoom hands).

I have done a thing for myself and did not understand the meaning. I'm Idiot.
I throw away suited connecter and remember that I watched it in some site
when I make the hand to use instead Ax.

I did not know half a year ago why enter the all-in with Ax,
and I knew "the suited player makes flush" before show down,
I was irritated with it.I understand it by the attitude of the villain.

I came to do that I thought about the story of the counterpart.(=Why does villain use this card?What does villain thinking? What is villain story.)

There is few it・・・.As for the good player, playing was consistent.
Regardless of victory or defeat.
It means that you thought beforehand.I think more carefully.

Thank you.:) :)
 
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Yesterday i went to 28 in a 27 placing tourney and had qq and raised 1500 had little moire than 5000 chips guy raised me all in with 66s all in hits trip 66 on the river flop 578 8 on turn and 6 river. shit like that always happens to me on the bubble.


③It happens quite often. There did not seem to be it only in me.
I now feel easy

I'm SB KK vs BB AA.I was crushed at a blow. I was in the high rank. And nothing.
I use top pair in EP as you say. Flop comes draw heavy board and monotone or red carpet.
Only as for such time my QQ+ has not those caller.What would I do?
I am forced to be taken down in a bluff、by BB players hand like 27o・・・.

Because they have the advantage of the position as you tell me.
My hand range is easily imagined by a BB player.
But I don't know BB player's hands.

On the other hand,when I am short stuck,
and auto all-in(=I have a few chips less than blind.)
I make straight and two pairs on flop by trash hands.

I guess is online poker program running "weak relief measures"or"weak starting hand measures"?
If there is too much inversion in the last card(=river card),I intend to use it.There is no probability and shit, but "You'll never know unless you try."

Thank you very much.:) :) :)
 
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In my opinion it would be better for you to wait a little .. Almost at the final table, I never go all-in. It's stupid. Even with such cards as yours. Only with strong pairs KK or AA. We need as much as possible to see cheap flops. It was only after the flop to draw conclusions. Do not risk further if you do not have anything on the flop ..
 
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Interesting, look forward to learning more about this.
 
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In my opinion it would be better for you to wait a little .. Almost at the final table, I never go all-in. It's stupid. Even with such cards as yours. Only with strong pairs KK or AA. We need as much as possible to see cheap flops. It was only after the flop to draw conclusions. Do not risk further if you do not have anything on the flop ..

Thank you for your reply.I show fight spirit.(=put in spirit).
This is a long sentence, are you ready?:)

[first paragraph]
I hesitated use AQo at that time. Because AQ is not strong hand.
(=This is not it as a starting hand. It is not pair.)
As a truth I used QQ and 44 from the middle.
QQ is lost KJ(frop J ,river K) 44 vs 55 (river 4 of full house.Turn, push and
villain fold)So that a picture has it.

As a result I was beaten villain's 28,pair of deuce.
If I had pocket pair,I was able to evade it.
(I did not know whether I used small pocket pair.It is a hypothetical story.)
I see AJ+ vs pocket pair(under 9) well at the table which is near a
winning prize.It is the scene where a way of thinking is divided into.


[second paragraph]
I think that close to basic you. In final table,
until the number of people fluctuates,I am quiet if possible.
However, in these days if other player does not play with halfway hands I know,
I'm push a little. Because my previous play looks so tight, few lies is not known to villains.(=Like my EP 44 looks AQ+ or JJ+ for villains.) And no one call.

If 44 is changed any weak hands.It is the same in the situation of the table.
The player of behind thinks "my A8 may be weaker than parakon's AX・・・ I'm fold." "He usually show down only over pair and AQ+. I have 66 but I'm not push this
time. If he has Ax I have a equity. But I fold." And so on.

The danger is decreases more and safety in a strong starting hands.
But I think no one will call or raise my push in this time.
I think that the hand does not matter.
It is a very difficult thing・・・. We can't see villains hands. But we may imaging villain thinking.


[third paragraph]
It is important for us to going see flop by small chips,and as you say
it is safety and low risk if we can reach to see flops by cheep.
A strategy is thought about after FLOP is greatly control development and
the trap is set by villain ,too.

If it is said which way of A and B you take,
(A=EP raise in by AKo orAQs. B=MP limp in by 55,66,77 pocket pair.)
you understand that the latter is safer, if you make no pair and nothing
in flop.

When this is AKs and 22, Someone considerably at a loss.
As for me, my heart shakes to the former AKs.
But your choice is only one behind,maybe・・・.

"I do push by the pressure of the chips."
"Because this fellow is careful,I will take bluff."
"Do you not let you work as you by this game freely?"
The person who thinks AK is strong, they may fetch such measures.
And they choose only AKs.

When I watch the play of the other player,I think
"though there is not any hands do not make draw or pair,
and do push with quantity of chip,
and the another player was scared and got off a one pair・・・."

In actuality, push villain's Ax makes one pair of X on flop or comes heavy
draw on flop ,flat call makes 2 pair or has QQ+ in fact.
I interpret it for oneself and sometimes enjoy it.


[break a minutes]
Tea time and pee time ok? lol.
Sorry for long sentences.However,this still continues.


[four of a kind]
In the case of this tournament,I throw AQ and there was that I waited expecting a pocket pair.(=strong if I can do it) only more just a little.
As you say risks were entirely different.

I think that you are compatible with my high rank tactically.
It should be considerably disadvantageous when you play under conditions
of uniformity.Is there not it by the type swept away to unreasonable draw and a low kicker?
It is slightly difficult to expressing it・・・ .I'm sorry if I do not come well.


[five cards]
For example, in the winning prize direct front,do you think
"Why do anyone attack it at such a weak handle?"?
To see the player which is hasty at finals table and
"they should wait calmly"or"Hey, they flew. Why dose they gets so impatient?"
You hope that they decrease in number in the confrontation between people from
high rank(=have many chips player).
Do you not think all the time?(In case ,nearly bubble or at final table).

Anyway, this type is sticky and do not attack it idly.
And you often terminate in the gradual decline.
However, if you get chips once ,it is very difficult player to handling for other players.
(=The player whom they does want to leave while this player have a few tips.)
Because only for the image of a strong attack for your action.)
And you beat an aggressive villain plainly.And you win and advance to the next around of it as expected and may win the championship.

When I am left on the final table in short stuck, it is unexpectedly strong.
But large stuck is still unskilled・・・.

Thank you very much for leading.
(I write a sentence daringly to improve.)
Last "If go down(=fold) AQ in that situation, do you think that I got a prize?"I make the end by this question.
Probably the answer is "yes・・・”I feel such.

Thank you for a precious opinion.Let's meet at finals table.
Probably you are considerably a skillful player, but I do not lose, too.

Thank you very much.:) Fin:).
 
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Interesting, look forward to learning more about this.

Thank you.
I only merely write what I think of・・・.
When I am said like that I'm grateful.

Please read in peace. It is free.
I do not know whether it is useful of you.
Because I only write the time when I am vast and the thing that
I experienced using some money. lol.

The long sentence is avoided by an appearance,but
there is a mate who saying an impression like you and is very glad.
Please forgive a spelling error and the expression error.

Thank you.
 
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