Even knowing that the luck factor has very little value in tournaments, GENERAL, whoever wins a tournament had a decisive hand, where he was behind the pre-flopp and ended up winning the hand, where the logic would have been eliminated.
In the Pokerstars stadium series final, Pessagno was the champion, and for that he saw his TT pair beat the opponent's AA pair, where he would be eliminated if he lost his hand. You can see, the great champions have always won a decisive hand even though their game is less than their opponent

Skill gets a player to the final table, but sometimes luck is needed to win. 80/20 Skill to luck is a good ratio. Mine happens to be 20/80 skill to bad luck with some really bad playing tossed in.

I have to agree with you In any tournament I have won , I have won a couple of coinflips and and at least a couple of suckouts. And I have lost huge tourneys, such as at the final table (last 4) for 80 % of the chips at the table, with pocket aces , all in against Q7 off , Flop the set on a AK2 board , and loose runner runner to a straight.

Luck is an important factor, especially in tournaments, if you are not lucky that throughout a tournament you will hardly get far. you can choose the best spocks to play a pair of aces, but you always need some luck to advance

Play tight and you need luck! Play loose and you need lots of luck!

It is not luck, it is mathematics, it is that people do not understand probability, it does not mean that having a 90% chance will always win.

I think when you play a tournament with a large field you will be in coin flips a lot of time. And in shove situations too. So, you need more skills to be in ITM, bur to win a tournament you need to be in a good day with the cards.

I tell you, if I didn't have bad luck I'd have no uck al all.

For me the game is 40% luck and 60% knowledge. It's how I think.

I have seen many hands lose with AA and win them with 2 and 3.

There is not a single poker player who does not win with a weak hand at crucial moments. But not every player will be able to bring victory to their advantage. You can win big money playing like a fish, or be a professional micro player making $ 1000 a month and believing that he is doing everything right and be very happy. But at this time, someone will win hundreds of thousands of dollars. Go to your goals.

The luck factor plays an important role in individual hands, but I still think that skill is much more important for the game as a whole and plays a decisive role in the player's carer !!!

there are so many very good players, if luck weren't important in poker then all this best players would go to final tables all the time

Sometimes it seems that luck in poker is the main thing. But then the pros would not be the same players all the time and could not be in the prizes so often. This means skill over luck.

I am convinced that in the long run the player's skills will always be more important. In order to become a successful player, one luck is not enough. Skill and experience are also required.

It is like this without a doubt, without some good luck in your favor, you will hardly win in a tournament, the few times that I won in a tournament I had 2 or 3 moments that I won only for the good. luck, as you say in the example, go back and let the river save you.

I believe that luck lasts a short time, it can happen, and many times it is not enough, the skills are proper, remember that the enemy will always steal your blind person, but will never take away your wisdom and experience, everything is relative, we all have good stages and bad stages, so that we can learn and gain experience in both victory and defeat.

luck is needed in tournaments because sometimes even if you play a high pair well and your opponent has a small pair and this pair connects then, she will win even if you have played well

There are so many moments in every finale where, even with a very good game, it might not be your day. You see how the person almost left the tournament and bam - he's a champion. So, as long as you have your chips, you have not lost. As some people say, what separates a champion from a non-champion is the ability to win all-in.

Originally Posted by manzanillo53

Skill gets a player to the final table, but sometimes luck is needed to win. 80/20 Skill to luck is a good ratio. Mine happens to be 20/80 skill to bad luck with some really bad playing tossed in.

This is absolutely true. Everything changes when the blinds are big. Small bluffs are more effective, good players are more aggressive, and luck is king. The scariest players are the ones that consistently make it to big moments.

Usually math, but you can not always control bad odds. Yours is to play smart and follow paterns of opponets and try to changes yours once in awhile.

While poker is a game of skill, you also have to be a little lucky!

damn lucky �� always

I disagree... In tournaments luck is a huge factor. If not the ITM frequency of pros would make tourneys more viable and profitable than cash games.

The luck factor counts, but it does not replace your sensitivity about that hand, nor does it replace your reading of opponents, nor does it replace your studies.
Luck already values ​​me a lot and counting on it is essential.
Therefore, we have to mix luck with our skills.

poker is not math, but odds weighing and strategy! mathematics is chess)))

with the number of people that dont know how to pla i find luck has a lot to do with winning especially at the start where everyone goes all in with bad cards hoping for a flip.

Huck Seed once said that its all about being able to put yourself in a position to take advantage of "luck".

Of course you have to be able to identify those situations as well.

Maybe its about that and not putting yourself in a situation where you'll go broke if luck goes the other way.

After all, to win a tournament all you need to do is win the last hand you play.

Originally Posted by manzanillo53

Skill gets a player to the final table, but sometimes luck is needed to win. 80/20 Skill to luck is a good ratio. Mine happens to be 20/80 skill to bad luck with some really bad playing tossed in.

My strategy is to keep your head down in the foxhole and dont come out till you see the whites of their eyes, than blaze away. Just bluff enough to break even on them so you will get value when you hit a big hand.

its an 80/20m 80 skills/20 luck, you can have the best hand in the world, but.....luck is luck...